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Russian Drones
Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:16 am
Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:16 am
Putin has been fricking with the EU and NATO over the past several weeks, using drones to penetrate sovereign airspace in places like Poland, Norway, and Denmark.
Any ideas on why he would even waste his time doing so while still blasting Ukraine daily with missiles?
I'm wondering why they just don't scramble a few F-35's and blow up the drones. Those drones aren't cheap, and it's not like Russia is swimming in surplus.
Any ideas on why he would even waste his time doing so while still blasting Ukraine daily with missiles?
I'm wondering why they just don't scramble a few F-35's and blow up the drones. Those drones aren't cheap, and it's not like Russia is swimming in surplus.
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Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:32 am to Lizardman2
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I'm wondering why they just don't scramble a few F-35's and blow up the drones. Those drones aren't cheap, and it's not like Russia is swimming in surplus.
the missiles used to destroy the drones a 10x more expensive.....
Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:34 am to Lizardman2
They say he’s trying to see what he can get away with and trying to probe and test NATO responses. They can shoot down the drones though and they have. That’s not the biggest issue IMO.
The bigger issue is violating NATO airspace with Russian jets. NATO can’t really just go and blow those up, if Russia violates their airspace, unless those jets were used to attack or be on some sort of mission. I honestly think Putin would love a response from NATO, where they shoot down one of the Russian jets. There’s his excuse to go to war with some European countries.
The bigger issue is violating NATO airspace with Russian jets. NATO can’t really just go and blow those up, if Russia violates their airspace, unless those jets were used to attack or be on some sort of mission. I honestly think Putin would love a response from NATO, where they shoot down one of the Russian jets. There’s his excuse to go to war with some European countries.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:41 am to sta4ever
Rubio addressed this. He said it happens all the time in Alaska airspace.
Big to do about nothing.
Same globalists who started the shat in Ukraine that the US had to fund are now trying to expand it....and have the US fund it.
Europe did steal 300 billion dollars from him....Im just sayin.....
Big to do about nothing.
Same globalists who started the shat in Ukraine that the US had to fund are now trying to expand it....and have the US fund it.
Europe did steal 300 billion dollars from him....Im just sayin.....
Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:44 am to Lizardman2
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I'm wondering why they just don't scramble a few F-35's and blow up the drones.
Because they want the world to be like it was a decade ago.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:46 am to trinidadtiger
Ohh yeah. It just happens…
That’s not the issue. The tension in this region, between Russia and its neighbors, is not good. And only flying drones and jets into another countries airspace, which these countries are very skeptical about Russian intentions, only escalates things. Would it be ok for NATO jets and drones to start violating Russian airspace? I mean it only happens all the time right? Just a big nothing burger.
That’s not the issue. The tension in this region, between Russia and its neighbors, is not good. And only flying drones and jets into another countries airspace, which these countries are very skeptical about Russian intentions, only escalates things. Would it be ok for NATO jets and drones to start violating Russian airspace? I mean it only happens all the time right? Just a big nothing burger.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 8:46 am to trinidadtiger
quote:
Big to do about nothing.
The enablers and appeasers have spoken
Its just Sudetenland I guess.
The pro Putin crowd here
is bewildered a dwarf state like Ukraine has fought
mighty Russia to a standstill.
Putin is a fraud
Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:11 am to aTmTexas Dillo
I watched the Article 4 meeting with the UN reps the other day, and Poland flat out told Russia not to come "whining to the committee if they are shot down invading airspace", and doubled down with, "you have been warned".
Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:18 am to Lizardman2
They want us to scramble the F-35s so they can collect signals and data.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:23 am to Lizardman2
Russia has increased their war time drone manufacturing capability big time.
From Grok:
From Grok:
Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:25 am to Lizardman2
Personally, I think it is being used to probe for non-lethal CUAS defenses and possibly test any on-board jamming countermeasures.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:29 am to tigeraddict
quote:
the missiles used to destroy the drones a 10x more expensive.....
These are the missiles that NATO uses to shoot down Russian drones:
It's a joke to shoot down Russian drones with for example a Patriot Missile. Lockheed Martin currently only has a capacity to manufacture less than 700 Patriot Missiles a year and they can cost up to $4 million each.
ETA: using missiles to shoot down drones is like using a 12 gauge shotgun to kill a house fly. Russia happily allows it as NATO waste resources.
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 9:31 am
Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:43 am to GumboPot
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Russia happily allows it as NATO waste resources.
How many of each missile are produced yearly by each country?
How many are on hand at this time?
And lastly, how many are used per year?
Isn't it just as fair to say that it's as much a waste to sit on them with zero use as it is to fire a few off?
Just saying bro...
Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:51 am to Lizardman2
quote:
wondering why they just don't scramble a few F-35's and blow up the drones
It probably costs more to start an F35 than it costs for Russia to purchase those drones.
Flight-hours on modern fighters are astronomically expensive and that's if they don't take a shot with any of the astronomically expensive ordinance.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:56 am to trinidadtiger
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Rubio addressed this. He said it happens all the time in Alaska airspace.
It happened all of the time during the Cold War, too. One of my great-uncles flew B-29 and B-36 bombers for SAC out of Fairbanks, Alaska back in the early 60's and he told me about the games we played with the Soviets and the ones they played with us.
I worked with a guy who was in the Navy in the 80's, and he told me about Soviet aircraft buzzing their aircraft carrier (the Kitty Hawk) in the Sea of Japan. If they knew it was one of their slower aircraft coming in, they would line up on the flight deck and moon them.
My cousin just got out of the Navy last years after serving ten years. While on ship duty in the South China Sea the Chicoms were always messing around with ships and aircraft. They went to general quarters many times and would have a good stare-down with a Chicom destroyer.
This shite is always happening. Just now they have drones to add to the mix.
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 9:56 am
Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:00 am to Lizardman2
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How many of each missile are produced yearly by each country?
How many are on hand at this time?
And lastly, how many are used per year?
Read my previous post.
Russia and missile manufacturers would love for NATO to neutralize Russian drones with missiles. Russia loves it because it's a MAJOR disparity in resource allocation (like 4000:1) and manufacturers love it because it keeps them busy and making money.
Look the bottom line is Russia is good at land wars. They suck on the sea. We dominate the sea but this is not a sea war.
We could give Russia a run for their money but that would require full commitment. Boots on the ground with air support. And then, Russia would likely just wait us out because the West is VERY impatient. We see war in month and year timelines. Russia sees them in decade and century timelines. It's a different perspective.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:04 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Flight-hours on modern fighters are astronomically expensive and that's if they don't take a shot with any of the astronomically expensive ordinance.
According the the US Air Force, Instructions 11-202v3, the minimum flight time goal each month is 20 hours and the maximum is 125 hours.
The US Navy pilots average @ 100 hours of flight time per year.
That said, if someone or something enters US sovereign airspace, the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) will respond by scrambling fighter jets for an intercept. Every time!
That includes tracking - interception of the military invader(s), attempts at communication if applicable, visual signals (where applicable), and escort out of our airspace. The potential escalations are clear and shouldn;t have to be noted.
I'm sure it's worth the hour or two to investigate the intruders when you are going to fly every day, week, and moth regardless.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:06 am to Lizardman2
quote:A good name for a heavy metal band...
Russian Drones
Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:09 am to sta4ever
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I honestly think Putin would love a response from NATO, where they shoot down one of the Russian jets. There’s his excuse to go to war with some European countries.
How exactly does that benefit Russia?
The only way he loses in Ukraine is if the US is forced to get involved directly or if Russia decides to call it a day.
Every other path results in Ukraine losing as resources and manpower runs out.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:12 am to Lizardman2
One you don't want F-35s chasing drones lol period.
Two he's just desperate to look strong having utterly failed in his blitzkrieg of Ukraine.
Two he's just desperate to look strong having utterly failed in his blitzkrieg of Ukraine.
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