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They killed Pixar when they took out John Lasseter
Posted on 9/3/25 at 1:23 am
Posted on 9/3/25 at 1:23 am
I mean, a decade ago just having “Pixar” as the production studio. Unless it was a Cars movie, you didn’t need to know anything more about a movie other than “Pixar” to buy a ticket to the movie.
The last truly great movie they’ve made is Coco, and quite frankly Dreamworks is now the superior animation studio. This was unthinkable a decade ago. Now no one cares about the studio. Like they’re making Coco 2, and I have no idea where they can take that with it being a very self contained story. It’s a tragedy what happened to Pixar.
I’ve got some ideas on how to improve, but they need to fire basically everyone to make it a powerhouse agains
The last truly great movie they’ve made is Coco, and quite frankly Dreamworks is now the superior animation studio. This was unthinkable a decade ago. Now no one cares about the studio. Like they’re making Coco 2, and I have no idea where they can take that with it being a very self contained story. It’s a tragedy what happened to Pixar.
I’ve got some ideas on how to improve, but they need to fire basically everyone to make it a powerhouse agains
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 1:36 am to OMLandshark
Rephrasing a quote I heard about a different industry
Companies don't make movies, people do.
The company logo may stay the same but if all the people who built the company change it's not the same company.
Companies don't make movies, people do.
The company logo may stay the same but if all the people who built the company change it's not the same company.
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 1:48 am
Posted on 9/3/25 at 1:41 am to StansberryRules
Correct
EDIT: But could you see them even attempting to make their masterpiece of WALL-E again? There’s no way they could do it or even attempt it. That movie is almost 20 years old and one of the greatest films ever made, and there’s no way they can get within spitting distance of that film. It’s all dumb animation these days and they won’t even attempt a movie as brilliant as that these days.
And really how good WALL-E is as art, you can view the entire movie without even speaking the language and perfectly understand everything that is said and going in the movie. Can’t think of another 21st century movie that passes that test. It’s absolutely incredible.
Dreamworks attempted to compete with WALL-E on The Wild Robot, and they largely succeeded, and the fact that they attempted to top it and got close shows that Dreamworks is now superior to Pixar. Pixar needs to release a masterpiece soon because it’s going the way of the Dodo Bird.
EDIT: But could you see them even attempting to make their masterpiece of WALL-E again? There’s no way they could do it or even attempt it. That movie is almost 20 years old and one of the greatest films ever made, and there’s no way they can get within spitting distance of that film. It’s all dumb animation these days and they won’t even attempt a movie as brilliant as that these days.
And really how good WALL-E is as art, you can view the entire movie without even speaking the language and perfectly understand everything that is said and going in the movie. Can’t think of another 21st century movie that passes that test. It’s absolutely incredible.
Dreamworks attempted to compete with WALL-E on The Wild Robot, and they largely succeeded, and the fact that they attempted to top it and got close shows that Dreamworks is now superior to Pixar. Pixar needs to release a masterpiece soon because it’s going the way of the Dodo Bird.
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 2:26 am
Posted on 9/3/25 at 5:51 am to OMLandshark
We just did this topic twice
DreamWorks vs Pixar
Elio worst Pixar opening ever
Inside Out 2 is barely a year old and made over a billion dollars. Is it possible you have aged out of their movies or are just more miserable in general than 10 years ago?
DreamWorks vs Pixar
Elio worst Pixar opening ever
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you didn’t need to know anything more about a movie other than “Pixar” to buy a ticket to the movie.
The last truly great movie they’ve made is Coco
Inside Out 2 is barely a year old and made over a billion dollars. Is it possible you have aged out of their movies or are just more miserable in general than 10 years ago?
Posted on 9/3/25 at 6:51 am to Corinthians420
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Inside Out 2 is barely a year old and made over a billion dollars. Is it possible you have aged out of their movies or are just more miserable in general than 10 years ago?
Isn't that the point, though? The only way they are succeeding is with sequels to previously successful films. The sequels are a far inferior product (with the exception of the Toy Story series), but sell due to being an established product. New, original stories is what used to be Pixar's strength; Those films have been flops for several years now.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 6:54 am to Corinthians420
Expanding on an established IP by basically remaking the exact same story whether it’s Inside Out or Moana have been the few animation successes since Lasseter was kicked out. There are far more examples of failures. Prioritizing inclusion over story and character arcs has set them back decades. I also think removing the shorts where the one rule was always no dialogue stifled creativity in new artists who could try new concepts. Some of them are better than whole movies.
Lifted
For the Birds
Presto
Partly Cloudy
La Luna
Piper (probably my favorite)
Paperman
Lou
Day and Night
The Blue Umbrella
Feast
One Man Band
Paperman and Feast pioneered the 2D and 3D animation combo that was perfected for Wild Robot. Would it surprise you to learn that some of those animators worked on all 3? When Lasseter left and the priorities shifted, Illumination and Dreamworks took in some of the talent (often white males) who felt they could no longer contribute in a meaningful way at Disney/Pixar. Shocker.
Lifted
For the Birds
Presto
Partly Cloudy
La Luna
Piper (probably my favorite)
Paperman
Lou
Day and Night
The Blue Umbrella
Feast
One Man Band
Paperman and Feast pioneered the 2D and 3D animation combo that was perfected for Wild Robot. Would it surprise you to learn that some of those animators worked on all 3? When Lasseter left and the priorities shifted, Illumination and Dreamworks took in some of the talent (often white males) who felt they could no longer contribute in a meaningful way at Disney/Pixar. Shocker.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:05 am to OMLandshark
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Unless it was a Cars movie, you didn’t need to know anything more about a movie other than “Pixar” to buy a ticket to the movie.
So, unless it was the only stuff Lasseter worked on in the years leading to his departure?
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:09 am to ell_13
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Illumination and Dreamworks took in some of the talent (often white males) who felt they could no longer contribute in a meaningful way at Disney/Pixar.
Do you have a source for this?
Google is only turning up 1 name from Pixar to Dreamworks. Brenda Chapman (a female), is noted as having left Pixar and went on to DreamWorks, though her departure stemmed from a clash with John Lasseter.
And 1 from Pixar to Illumination, Kyle Balda, who left to work on Despicable Me before 2010.
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 7:10 am
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:15 am to OMLandshark
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They killed Pixar when they took out John Lasseter
I won't argue that Pixar is as good as it was in its heyday, but it's definitely not dead though.
Also, didn't Lasseter leave due to some sexual misconduct allegations that he basically admitted to? It's not like they just hauled off and fired him for no reason.
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The last truly great movie they’ve made is Coco
Incredibles 2 was good.
Toy Story 4 was great (even though I personally think they should have ended it with 4).
Inside Out 2 was great.
And I will personally go to bat for these: Onward, Luca, and Lightyear. As I've said before, I am biased because my son loved all three of these. But they are actually really good.
Onward is borderline excellent with its message. Sure, the story is somewhat silly, but it's fun and engaging, and the messaging at the end is awesome.
Luca is another one that I was hesitant about initially (I wondered if it would have gay stuff in it), but we watched it with my son (who was almost 2 at the time) and it was really, really good.
Lightyear is also really good. I get that people were turned off by the lesbian relationship in it, and I'll never argue against that. But it wasn't noticeable by my son so it was never really an issue. But outside of that issue, the movie itself is actually pretty good. Plus, he was a big Buzz Lightbeer fan, so obviously that helped. But for me, it's a really good movie in spite of them trying to cram shite into a kids movie that shouldn't be there.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:20 am to Corinthians420
I used to be pretty active on DisBoards. Bunch of insiders on the parks, DVC, and even the movies. Plenty of names and “rumors” there if you search.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:23 am to CocomoLSU
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he was a big Buzz Lightbeer fan
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:24 am to CocomoLSU
Onward was announced by Lasseter. And Scanlon left Pixar recently.
ETA: Luca was also in development with Lasseter at the helm although he did have a few creative differences from the director.
And Scanlon left Pixar recently. ETA: Luca was also in development with Lasseter at the helm although he did have a few creative differences from the director.
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 7:27 am
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:39 am to ell_13
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I used to be pretty active on DisBoards. Bunch of insiders on the parks, DVC, and even the movies. Plenty of names and “rumors” there if you search
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:53 am to OMLandshark
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They killed Pixar when they took out John Lasseter
I'm sure this will stay on-topic and won't delve into a religious debate
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:59 am to bad93ex
Way to keep it on topic.
Cosmo, Lasseter got Me Too’d. Worst he was accused of was making female employees feel uncomfortable. He apologized for it in a pretty generic memo and was let go 6 months later when the story wouldn’t go away. He still married.
Cosmo, Lasseter got Me Too’d. Worst he was accused of was making female employees feel uncomfortable. He apologized for it in a pretty generic memo and was let go 6 months later when the story wouldn’t go away. He still married.
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 8:16 am
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:10 am to Corinthians420
NY Times article on Lasseter and Luck
A few excerpts:
A few excerpts:
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After employees complained about unwanted hugging by Mr. Lasseter, Disney investigated and found that some subordinates occasionally felt him to be a tyrant. He was forced to resign as Disney-Pixar’s animation chief, apologizing for “missteps” that made staff members feel “disrespected or uncomfortable.”
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More than 50 people have followed Mr. Lasseter to Skydance from Disney and Pixar, including Ms. Holmes (“Secret of the Wings”), whom he hired to direct “Luck.” The screenplay for “Luck” is credited to Kiel Murray, whose Pixar and Disney writing credits include “Cars” and “Raya and the Last Dragon.” Mr. Lasseter and Ms. Holmes hired at least five more Disney-Pixar veterans for senior “Luck” crew jobs, including the animation director Yuriko Senoo (“Tangled”) and the production designer Fred Warter (“A Bug’s Life”).
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Apple’s chief executive, Tim Cook, shared a look at the film in March at the company’s latest product showcase event. “Luck” is just the beginning of Apple’s bet on Mr. Lasseter and Skydance Media, an independent studio that — contentiously — hired him in 2019 as animation chief. (Skydance hired lawyers to scrutinize the allegations against Mr. Lasseter and privately concluded there was nothing egregious.) Skydance has a deal to supply Apple TV+ with multiple animated films and at least one animated series by 2024. Pariah? Not at Apple.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:15 am to Corinthians420
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Inside Out 2 is barely a year old and made over a billion dollars. Is it possible you have aged out of their movies or are just more miserable in general than 10 years ago?
I mean, I liked Inside Out 2, but it was a little too safe and just kind of did exactly what its predecessor did.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:22 am to CocomoLSU
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Also, didn't Lasseter leave due to some sexual misconduct allegations that he basically admitted to? It's not like they just hauled off and fired him for no reason.
I think Lasseter’s “Me Too” was more in the line of an Aziz Ansari type of crap than one of the more malicious ones. Lasseter has been a bit of a socially awkward and creepy guy, and I didn’t find the allegations against him to be as damning as basically any other “Me Too” crap.
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And I will personally go to bat for these: Onward, Luca, and Lightyear. As I've said before, I am biased because my son loved all three of these. But they are actually really good.
Lightyear is not because Disney/Pixar somehow managed to make a Buzz fricking Lightyear movie bomb. That should theoretically be impossible because Buzz is probably the most popular animated character created in my lifetime. If they made the movie a decade previously, brought back Tim Allen, and didn’t make it Woke, it would have grossed over a billion dollars.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 9:20 am to OMLandshark
It’s really the last 5 years since lasseter left, and if any studio is pushing pixar it’s Illumination.
But really since 2020 Illumination has made 2 more movies in the Gruniverse and the Super Mario Brothers. Their sole original idea (Migration) flopped.
In that same time period Pixar made 6 completely original movies. 1 sequel and 1 spin off.
So i would say Illumantion has made some better movies but they’re playing the hits still. that’s what Pixar is getting back to with TS5, Incredible 3 and Coco 2 lined up.:
I think the biggest issue with Pixar in the last 5 years is they aren’t making kids movies. Turning Red and Onward are coming of age stories that are oriented to somewhat older audiences. Lightyear (which I actually liked a lot) felt like a generic sci fi planted to look like toy story and have a few references thrown in. the connection just wasn’t there
But really since 2020 Illumination has made 2 more movies in the Gruniverse and the Super Mario Brothers. Their sole original idea (Migration) flopped.
In that same time period Pixar made 6 completely original movies. 1 sequel and 1 spin off.
So i would say Illumantion has made some better movies but they’re playing the hits still. that’s what Pixar is getting back to with TS5, Incredible 3 and Coco 2 lined up.:
I think the biggest issue with Pixar in the last 5 years is they aren’t making kids movies. Turning Red and Onward are coming of age stories that are oriented to somewhat older audiences. Lightyear (which I actually liked a lot) felt like a generic sci fi planted to look like toy story and have a few references thrown in. the connection just wasn’t there
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 9:29 am
Posted on 9/3/25 at 9:24 am to OMLandshark
You're getting down voted but you're correct
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