RAS Scores

quote:

---

RAS guys.

---

If you were dating, and there was a RAS score for that "Potential mate"

Would it prove successful as well ?

Yeah it's the complete package of the evaluation that we are lacking on.

While RAS is great, it's only one part. Same with accolades such as awards and captaincy, as well as personality. We put HEAVY reliance on those 3 things, and often overlook production (but not always), competition level (far too often), level of surrounding teammates (far too often), and what is actually seen on tape (far too often).

You need to look at all of these things as a whole to get a complete picture. While RAS is great at determining if someone is athletic enough for the nfl, it doesn't tell you if they have the head for it, nor the technique. And just because someone has a great personality doesn't mean they will be a great player, and vice versa with some guys that may not be the best of character but are still great players (but there is a limit to how bad of a character you allow).

I feel like watching tape/technique is by far the biggest thing we miss on players, as it seems most of the ones that bust are raw prospects with great RAS and personality.

How many of you guys actually know what scouts do?

Don't take RAS guys from very small schools as much.

quote:

---

but no one can deny that we have had a huge bust rate with the high RAS players.

---

Serious question, but can it be proven that the huge bust rate was due to high RAS scores; or is that simply part of the equation.

If they only drafted high RAS scores, then you could make a quick comparison of the hit/miss to see how those players drafted by the Saints did. However, you would also need to expand the population to see if other players with high RAS scored were more likely to bust than hit.

quote:

---

How many of you guys actually know what scouts do?

---

If it’s our scouts, not much is the answer…

quote:

---

It seems our solid drafting has declined with the staff's reliance on RAS scores. Guys like Turner, Foskey and Penning were high RAS guys.

---

Turns out that knowledge of the game and a deeper analysis of the play of the player is more important than numbers related to pure athleticism.

Imagine that.

quote:

---

You have guys like AK, Ceedy Duce, Marcus Williams, Anzalone, Baun who weren’t RAS beast either. So in reality I think it’s been a bit of a mixed bag

---

Notice when most of these were drafted. There was definitely a shift HARD into RAS shortly after (and by that I mean the next year on). It's not every player, but it's clear it is overvalued.

I wonder how many "average" RAS players like those we passed on for small school or raw RAS standouts?

Tbh, I wonder if hitting on Hendrickson is to blame for that. Seems like we used it on him and hit gold, but then thought it would keep happening.

Ah yeah so maybe both us and GB started using it in 2016, since we both were keyed in on him, it worked, we did it with Trey 2017, it worked again, so we figured we were getting ahead of the game and leaned a bit too far into it.

Tbf Davenport, when healthy, also was another success case using it, but the injuries just derailed him so badly.

I think there is enough proof in the opposite direction that they should start to realize that they should lessen the weighting on it now, but still pay attention to it. Don't forget all the non elite RAS guys that have been successful for us.

MOVE THE TEAM