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The Cracker Barrel controversy is only tangentially about politics or "wokeness"
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:06 am
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:06 am
I know people are not going to want to hear this because they're stirred up, and I'll probably get downvoted all to hell but I don't give a s**t.
And I will concede that there is no doubt ... none ... about where that geeky looking CEO swings politically.
But this is more about the compulsion of marketing people to chase the young like a bum in the gutter in the Bowery in NYC chases Ripple or crack more than anything else.
You can tell by my posting handle I used to work in newspapers. I managed by having out of body experiences and swallowing my tongue and pride to make it to an advanced age in a dying trade (it's not a profession) until I was in a position to tell the huge company I worked for at the end (If you know anything about huge newspaper companies, you know the one I'm talking about and they're satanically evil) to get F'd and leave on my own terms.
I sat through corporate meetings where the words "we're not interested in an audience outside the 18 to 49 age group" were literally spoken. It didn't matter how loyal the customers above that age group had been, it didn't matter how much money the customers above that age group had to spend, if you were not 18 to 49 they were not interested in you, and while they might not try to deliberately run you off, they were not going to do anything or provide anything that you might be remotely interested in, which is essentially running you off.
The attitude was, "If you cater to those people, you will die with them."
I think that, more than anything, is what's going on here. That's what's going on with the rule changes in sports, too, IMO, the push toward expanded playoffs and NIL and all that crap, to get a young audience excited with bells and whistles and run the traditionalists off rather than "die with them."
The problem is Cracker Barrel is what it is. It's tradition, it's an old clientele going in and looking at things that remind them of the past and eating things their doctors don't want them to eat. You can't sell that s**t to yuppies eating avocado toast, but these idiots will destroy the company trying rather than have it associated with old folks.
And they still need to improve the food back to where it used to be.
Just my .02.
And I will concede that there is no doubt ... none ... about where that geeky looking CEO swings politically.
But this is more about the compulsion of marketing people to chase the young like a bum in the gutter in the Bowery in NYC chases Ripple or crack more than anything else.
You can tell by my posting handle I used to work in newspapers. I managed by having out of body experiences and swallowing my tongue and pride to make it to an advanced age in a dying trade (it's not a profession) until I was in a position to tell the huge company I worked for at the end (If you know anything about huge newspaper companies, you know the one I'm talking about and they're satanically evil) to get F'd and leave on my own terms.
I sat through corporate meetings where the words "we're not interested in an audience outside the 18 to 49 age group" were literally spoken. It didn't matter how loyal the customers above that age group had been, it didn't matter how much money the customers above that age group had to spend, if you were not 18 to 49 they were not interested in you, and while they might not try to deliberately run you off, they were not going to do anything or provide anything that you might be remotely interested in, which is essentially running you off.
The attitude was, "If you cater to those people, you will die with them."
I think that, more than anything, is what's going on here. That's what's going on with the rule changes in sports, too, IMO, the push toward expanded playoffs and NIL and all that crap, to get a young audience excited with bells and whistles and run the traditionalists off rather than "die with them."
The problem is Cracker Barrel is what it is. It's tradition, it's an old clientele going in and looking at things that remind them of the past and eating things their doctors don't want them to eat. You can't sell that s**t to yuppies eating avocado toast, but these idiots will destroy the company trying rather than have it associated with old folks.
And they still need to improve the food back to where it used to be.
Just my .02.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:12 am to InkStainedWretch
I agree 100%, they are stupid.
Stupid because you can't rebrand a company that was built on old traditional ways without starting from scratch with a new name.
Stupid because you can't rebrand a company that was built on old traditional ways without starting from scratch with a new name.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:18 am to omegaman66
Stay with me because the point I'm about to make is relevant even though it's going to sound like I'm going down a rabbit trail ...
I was reading a book on Elvis the other day and one of his Memphis Mafia friends, Lamar Fike, was quoted in there as saying that despite all the people who thought Elvis could be a great, Academy Award level actor along the lines of James Dean "if he'd only gotten a chance," Fike didn't think that was possible because it didn't matter what role he might be in, people would look on the screen and see Elvis because that image was so ingrained that it simply would be impossible to escape it.
Cracker Barrel IMO is the same way as far as an ingrained image. It is what it is. You cannot change it, you cannot remake it, you cannot escape it.
I was reading a book on Elvis the other day and one of his Memphis Mafia friends, Lamar Fike, was quoted in there as saying that despite all the people who thought Elvis could be a great, Academy Award level actor along the lines of James Dean "if he'd only gotten a chance," Fike didn't think that was possible because it didn't matter what role he might be in, people would look on the screen and see Elvis because that image was so ingrained that it simply would be impossible to escape it.
Cracker Barrel IMO is the same way as far as an ingrained image. It is what it is. You cannot change it, you cannot remake it, you cannot escape it.
This post was edited on 8/23/25 at 10:19 am
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:23 am to InkStainedWretch
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Cracker Barrel IMO is the same way as far as an ingrained image. It is what it is. You cannot change it, you cannot remake it, you cannot escape it.
Ben and Jerry's.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:23 am to InkStainedWretch
I agree with you but it’s a little more than tangential in my opinion.
Openly using progressive language is going to have a cost.
If they gambled that minorities and progressives would flock to Cracker Barrel in enough numbers to replace their customer base then they lost and anyone could see that coming.
Openly using progressive language is going to have a cost.
If they gambled that minorities and progressives would flock to Cracker Barrel in enough numbers to replace their customer base then they lost and anyone could see that coming.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:24 am to InkStainedWretch
I think the stock is down because their business sucks.
They didn’t paint the walls rainbow like Target or tranny up like Bud Light. Just a crappy business and dying clientele. Modern day Sizzler. Just die and move on.
They didn’t paint the walls rainbow like Target or tranny up like Bud Light. Just a crappy business and dying clientele. Modern day Sizzler. Just die and move on.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:24 am to InkStainedWretch
That’s a lot of words about a Cracker Barrel issue. While it may not be textbook “woke”, the basic attitude is still the same.
Trying to erase what has been established & popular with a core base & replace it with something nobody asked for.
Thinking that they can just mothball an older image with a modern version and people will blindly accept it because “where else are they going to go for their rustic family style restaurant chain?” wasn’t thought out very well.
Seeing it over and over again, so-called leadership is out of touch with their base and they are trying to wish a new era and generation of brand loyalty into existence.
This is why they fail.
Trying to erase what has been established & popular with a core base & replace it with something nobody asked for.
Thinking that they can just mothball an older image with a modern version and people will blindly accept it because “where else are they going to go for their rustic family style restaurant chain?” wasn’t thought out very well.
Seeing it over and over again, so-called leadership is out of touch with their base and they are trying to wish a new era and generation of brand loyalty into existence.
This is why they fail.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:25 am to InkStainedWretch
Yeah, dont see it so much as wokeness but an overreaction to shifting demographics, mainly age.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:25 am to InkStainedWretch
Cracker Barrel's menu is a shell of what it once was and some of the cool novelty items in the general store area just aren't there anymore. I don't think the rebrand would piss people off as much if Cracker Barrel hadn't already completely gone off the rails from a quality standpoint.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:29 am to InkStainedWretch
The yuppies eating avocado toast are always chasing the new thing. They need to post that shite on social media. I understand trying to attract younger , trendier clientele. But I don’t believe that particular group is loyal to jack shite unless you’re gonna hang certain flags and have alphabet people scattered throughout the store.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:32 am to InkStainedWretch
I dont think the remodel is "woke" I think woke accusations come from hiring an incompetent, leftist woman CEO
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:33 am to InkStainedWretch
I agree 100%
Companies rebrand all the time. Most just to “update” their brand.
This is probably not woke or anything nefarious.
I think it’s a case of decision makers that are so smart that they are stupid.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:34 am to InkStainedWretch
Are you familiar with the rural purge that the TV networks did in the early 70s where they mass cancelled successful shows that were based in rural settings (Bev Hillbillies, Green Acres, etc) even though the shows were still highly rated? This seems very similar.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:34 am to SCLibertarian
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Cracker Barrel's menu is a shell of what it once was and some of the cool novelty items in the general store area just aren't there anymore. I don't think the rebrand would piss people off as much if Cracker Barrel hadn't already completely gone off the rails from a quality standpoint.
Yeah I dont get this. The pancakes ive gotten the last couple of times ive been have been small and awful. Is maintaining a quality product really gonna cost so much that it puts you out of business?
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:38 am to Obi-Wan Tiger
Absolutely, great analogy.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:40 am to InkStainedWretch
It’s just a tired old brand that has a much older and less affluent demographic. Trying to make it more modern/hip whatever isn’t going to work. It is what it is. These retail concepts all seem to have a natural finite life cycle
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:41 am to SCLibertarian
Their downfall began when the quit selling grilled catfish. CMM
This post was edited on 8/23/25 at 10:42 am
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:43 am to SCLibertarian
I posted the other day, they can brand it however they want to, but if they can’t put two eggs over easy, sausage, grits and biscuits and gravy on a plate for me in edible fashion at an acceptable temperature … and it’s been a long time since they have … they ain’t getting my money.
I mean, they’re doing shepherds pie now. I actually like shepherds pie. My wife lived in England when her dad was in the service and she fixes a mean shepherds pie. But who the frick goes to Cracker Barrel for something as esoteric as shepherds pie?
I mean, they’re doing shepherds pie now. I actually like shepherds pie. My wife lived in England when her dad was in the service and she fixes a mean shepherds pie. But who the frick goes to Cracker Barrel for something as esoteric as shepherds pie?
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:46 am to InkStainedWretch
Some of you on here act like you're never going to get old. Got news for you everybody eventually does and your values change along the way.
Posted on 8/23/25 at 10:49 am to InkStainedWretch
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The Cracker Barrel controversy is only tangentially about politics or "wokeness"
But it isn't "only tangentially". And I'm not stirred up at all. I'm coldly analytical.
This big DEI push at Cracker Barrel admittedly predates the current CEO. These changes are almost exclusively to appease their now "wokeified" employees. They can't say that's the only reason, but it is the reason. They say outwardly that it is to chase this younger customer base - a younger customer base that will likely only ever show up with their older relatives.
Gilbert Davila joined their board in 2020 - JULY 2020 and his background before that was one of Disney's diversity VPs.
It isn't any more complicated than that. This is NOT a customer-facing move. This is similar to disastrous changes at Disney to appease a wokeified workforce that was installed, on purpose, to make those changes. Also, Blackrock and Vanguard are now major shareholders in Cracker Barrel.
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And they still need to improve the food back to where it used to be.
I agree with that, but all these style/logo changes will kill it before such a change will matter.
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