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Let's talk about this wildly overrated Clemson defense....
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:14 am
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:14 am
Start with the positive:
-bringing back a lot of talent, esp on DL
-made an upgrade at DC (Tom Allen from Penn St)
But are people forgetting how mediocre they were last year in a shitty ACC? They we're solid vs 3rd & 4th but not much else. Their pass D stats are way inflated because they faced 2 great throwers all season (Shough & Beck) and both had nice days. So did Jennings through the air (not a great thrower IMO)...
Clem D
Opp Points/Game 24.2 (#47)
Opp Yards/Game 373.2 (#62)
Opp Points/Play 0.344 (#44)
Opp Yards/Play 5.3 (#54)
Opp 3D Conv % 35.39% (#32)
Opp 4D Conv % 44.44% (#22
Opp RZ Scoring % 84.09% (#73)
Opp Yards/Rush 4.6 (#90)
Opp Rush Yards/Game 150.8 (#60)
Opp Completion % 57.02% (#14)
Opp Yards/Pass 6.3 (#20)
Opp Pass Yards/Game 222.3 (#66)
"What your point?" Glad you asked. They might be a good defense, you can see the path for it coming together for sure. But based on last year, you're going on a whole lot of "vibes" or "trust me bro" going into 2025.
Tom Allen will obviously help but forgive me if I don't buy he's got them firing on all cylinders week 1 of year 1 after a few mediocre seasons defensively. We've had several awesome DCs join this team with loaded rosters (Muschmp, Pellini, Chavis, Aranda) and it was not always roses right out of the gate.
TL;DR, I gotta see it before I believe it. Geaux Tigers.
-bringing back a lot of talent, esp on DL
-made an upgrade at DC (Tom Allen from Penn St)
But are people forgetting how mediocre they were last year in a shitty ACC? They we're solid vs 3rd & 4th but not much else. Their pass D stats are way inflated because they faced 2 great throwers all season (Shough & Beck) and both had nice days. So did Jennings through the air (not a great thrower IMO)...
Clem D
Opp Points/Game 24.2 (#47)
Opp Yards/Game 373.2 (#62)
Opp Points/Play 0.344 (#44)
Opp Yards/Play 5.3 (#54)
Opp 3D Conv % 35.39% (#32)
Opp 4D Conv % 44.44% (#22
Opp RZ Scoring % 84.09% (#73)
Opp Yards/Rush 4.6 (#90)
Opp Rush Yards/Game 150.8 (#60)
Opp Completion % 57.02% (#14)
Opp Yards/Pass 6.3 (#20)
Opp Pass Yards/Game 222.3 (#66)
"What your point?" Glad you asked. They might be a good defense, you can see the path for it coming together for sure. But based on last year, you're going on a whole lot of "vibes" or "trust me bro" going into 2025.
Tom Allen will obviously help but forgive me if I don't buy he's got them firing on all cylinders week 1 of year 1 after a few mediocre seasons defensively. We've had several awesome DCs join this team with loaded rosters (Muschmp, Pellini, Chavis, Aranda) and it was not always roses right out of the gate.
TL;DR, I gotta see it before I believe it. Geaux Tigers.
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Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:15 am to mwade91383
I hope you’re right. I wanna believe.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:17 am to mwade91383
How well did this Clemson team do against Georgia in their opening game of 2024? We will see if they live up to all of this year's hype!
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:20 am to mwade91383
How do you know they are wildly overrated before they play a game?
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:21 am to CajunBullet
It was a 12 point spread ish and they lost by 30.
Not so good, Al!
Not so good, Al!
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:22 am to mwade91383
I see their DL giving our OL fits.
I don’t know much about the rest of their defense
I don’t know much about the rest of their defense
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:22 am to LSUScores
quote:
How do you know they are wildly overrated before they play a game?
They haven't done it yet. That's my point. Their projected improvement gap (which I admit could happen) is massive.
And for a 1st year DC? You know Dabo aint calling plays. Let me see it first.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:23 am to mwade91383
After the way we performed against a dog shite USC team last year in the opener, I REFUSE to sit here and say Clemson is overrated.
Clemson is a program that is coached by a multiple championship winner. We are not. Until then, I would hold back the shite talk.
Clemson is a program that is coached by a multiple championship winner. We are not. Until then, I would hold back the shite talk.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:24 am to mwade91383
quote:
Tom Allen will obviously help but forgive me if I don't buy he's got them firing on all cylinders week 1 of year 1 after a few mediocre seasons defensively. We've had several awesome DCs join this team with loaded rosters (Muschmp, Pellini, Chavis, Aranda) and it was not always roses right out of the gate.
Something to note about Allen- he inherited a top 3 defense and kept them in the top 10. That said, a lot of Penn St fans weren’t sorry to see him go, especially in exchange for Knowles.
Allen is likely an upgrade at DC for Clemson, but he may not be as elite as some are making him out to be after his one year stopover at PSU.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:26 am to SludgeFactory
quote:
After the way we performed against a dog shite USC team last year in the opener, I REFUSE to sit here and say Clemson is overrated. Clemson is a program that is coached by a multiple championship winner. We are not. Until then, I would hold back the shite talk.
Most of us don’t listen to troll alters.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:34 am to SludgeFactory
quote:
After the way we performed against a dog shite USC team last year in the opener, I REFUSE to sit here and say Clemson is overrated.
Clemson is a program that is coached by a multiple championship winner. We are not. Until then, I would hold back the shite talk.
You're addressing the elephant in the room, which is that all my criticism of Clemson could be true for us too. That's fair.
But it's also worth pointing out the two are not mutually exclusive, there's a world where both of us are 8-4 type teams or 11-1 type teams.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:37 am to misey94
quote:
Something to note about Allen- he inherited a top 3 defense and kept them in the top 10
That's a good nugget, I didn't realize that.
quote:
That said, a lot of Penn St fans weren’t sorry to see him go, especially in exchange for Knowles
I'm of the mind he's the best DC in CFB. His work at Duke, Okie St, then OSU is impressive. I'd be happy to see just about anyone go if i was getting him.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:41 am to mwade91383
Now do our defense
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:41 am to LSUScores
quote:
How do you know they are wildly overrated before they play a game?
How do you know they aren’t? He’s giving an opinion based on relevant stats from the year prior.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:44 am to Htxtiger17
quote:
Now do our defense
....No
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:46 am to mwade91383
I wouldn’t look too much into statistics from last season.
We still have a very unproven OL along with a smaller QB room now that VB is injured. Losing Lindsey definitely didn’t help our RB room as that’s a position you’ll never have too much of.
We still have a very unproven OL along with a smaller QB room now that VB is injured. Losing Lindsey definitely didn’t help our RB room as that’s a position you’ll never have too much of.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:53 am to mwade91383
quote:
Opp Completion % 57.02% (#14)
Opp Yards/Pass 6.3 (#20)
this is concerning
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:55 am to CajunBullet
quote:
How well did this Clemson team do against Georgia in their opening game of 2024? We will see if they live up to all of this year's hype!
Are you under the impression that we wouldve beaten Georgia week 1 last year? In fact, our opening loss to USC was probably worse than their 30 point loss to Georgia.
I get it.. "Chinks in the armor" and such. but objectively speaking I think you HAVE to pick Clemson. Not saying LSU won't win and I certainly want them to they just dont have many advantages on paper.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:59 am to Topwater Trout
Agreed! But look who they went against in terms of passing offenses.
The only times they we're tested it didn't go well.
The only times they we're tested it didn't go well.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 12:05 pm to JimTiger72
quote:Quick throws & run at the DE's problem solved. I'll be sure to advise Coach Sloan.
I see their DL giving our OL fits.
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