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The Fall of Rome

Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:25 pm
Posted by HonCHO
Bawcomville
Member since Nov 2020
81 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:25 pm
Rome dominated the Western world for roughly 500 years. The US isn’t Rome and is not destined to fall, but we can learn from history, and still save ourselves. Rome didn’t fall in a day.

It crumbled slowly from within:
• Political chaos - Leadership became more about power than public service
• Corruption
• Massive inequality
• Endless wars
• A divided people
• Loss of shared values
Inflation and debt

Decline in Civic Virtue and Unity
• Citizens grew disconnected from public life.
• Patriotism faded.
• Roman identity was diluted across vast cultures and regions.

Urban Decay and Infrastructure Collapse
• Roads, aqueducts, and buildings fell into disrepair.
• The once-great cities declined as people moved to the countryside.
• Law and order broke down in many regions.

?? Similarities Between the U.S. and Ancient Rome

1. Republican Roots
• Rome: Started as a republic with elected senators and consuls.
• U.S.: Founded as a constitutional republic with elected officials and a Senate.

Both valued law, checks and balances, and civic duty (at least in theory).

2. Global Superpower Status
• Rome: Dominated the Mediterranean world for centuries.
• U.S.: Has been the world’s leading military and economic power since WWII.

?? Both exercised enormous influence over other nations’ politics, economics, and culture.

3. Massive Military Footprint
• Rome: Maintained a vast, expensive military to defend its borders and suppress unrest.
• U.S.: Has over 750 military bases in 80+ countries, with high defense spending.

?? Military overreach and fatigue were major challenges

4. Inequality and Class Tension
• Rome: Huge wealth gap between elites and the poor. Slavery and debt crushed the working class.
• U.S.: Rising inequality, corporate consolidation, and growing dissatisfaction among working and middle classes.

5. Political Division and Dysfunction
• Rome: Civil wars, corrupt leaders, and power-hungry elites crippled the Republic.
• U.S.: Increasing polarization, gridlock, corrupt leaders (Democrats). The lawfare against Trump and the Russiagate scandal.

6. Cultural Decay vs. Cultural Shift
• Rome: Some historians point to moral decay, decadence, or loss of shared values.
• U.S.: Ongoing “culture wars” over national identity, values, and truth.

7. Immigration and Borders
• Rome: Struggled to manage influxes of migrants and incorporate new populations.
• U.S.: the Southern border crises

Rome didn’t fall to outsiders until it had already fallen apart inside.
Posted by KingOrange
Mayfair
Member since Aug 2018
12636 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:28 pm to
We are here down the same path

Greed

Hubris

No Morality

Wars

We will not lean from the past.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21695 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:29 pm to
I think it's important to note the Roman Empire was only successful because the Roman Republic had done most of the conquering already.

Also, small shout out to the Eastern Roman Empire, which only fell in 1453, <40 years before Columbus found the new world.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
126027 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:30 pm to
Posted by Richleau
Member since Dec 2018
4068 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:31 pm to
Take your woe is me bullshite and shove it up your arse. Don’t be a fatalist.
Posted by gizmoflak
Member since May 2007
11831 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:31 pm to
@chatGPT now give me 47 reasons why the US of A and ancient Rome are nothing alike
Posted by kilo
No block, no rock
Member since Oct 2011
29673 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:32 pm to
Welcome to the party.
Posted by Speckhunter2012
Lake Charles
Member since Dec 2012
8163 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:33 pm to
quote:

Also, small shout out to the Eastern Roman Empire, which only fell in 1453, <40 years before Columbus found the new world.


Make Istanbul Constantinople Again.

MICA
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59144 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:34 pm to
quote:

@chatGPT now give me 47 reasons why the US of A and ancient Rome are nothing alike


Right? It’s the obvious use of AI copy pasta for me.
Posted by KingOrange
Mayfair
Member since Aug 2018
12636 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:36 pm to
quote:

Make Istanbul Constantinople Again.


I agree. But you are going to have to fight a lot of Muslims to make that happen.
Posted by kilo
No block, no rock
Member since Oct 2011
29673 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:40 pm to
quote:

Make Istanbul Constantinople Again.


Constantiople

Posted by kilo
No block, no rock
Member since Oct 2011
29673 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:40 pm to
quote:

Make Istanbul Constantinople Again.


Constantiople

Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
154177 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:45 pm to
Please take 2:36 to watch this video

Posted by Jrv2damac
KS (mountain time)
Member since Mar 2004
72262 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:50 pm to
quote:

Take your woe is me bullshite and shove it up your arse. Don’t be a fatalist.


Those are sonic words

Posted by RelicBatches86
Florida
Member since Nov 2024
1027 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:50 pm to
if you're a an American hater, you would think it is falling
most prosperous country in history.

Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:51 pm to
I watched the vid Kafka, just as you requested. Did he predict what year America would fall?
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
154177 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:54 pm to
quote:

I watched the vid Kafka, just as you requested
I wasn't talking to you
Posted by CharlesUFarley
Daphne, AL
Member since Jan 2022
897 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:56 pm to
You forgot Bread and Circuses: massive welfare.
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
28137 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:56 pm to
If you look at the fall of the Republic and not the Empire the parallels are even more striking. The blatantly political use of criminal prosecutions, the hired rioters, even the iconic Patrician becoming the face of the Populares.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:57 pm to
quote:

I wasn't talking to you


Now Kafka, don't be ugly. That's not who you are. It was a good little vid and I liked it. So did he? Did he predict when the US would fall?
This post was edited on 7/21/25 at 8:58 pm
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