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What is the argument against forcing AIPAC to register under FARA?

Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:29 am
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:29 am
We know JFK tried to get AZCPA, formally AIPAC, to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act and how that turned out, but why does AIPAC get some special dispensation that Mexico, Chili or Italy doesn't get?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:33 am to
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, but why does AIPAC get some special dispensation that Mexico, Chili or Italy doesn't get?


Isn't it an organization of Americans? The 1A permits Americans to associate to argue for political causes, even if it's for another country.

I'm sure there are Mexican-American groups, for example, who you'd never think would need to register under FARA.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:35 am to
I think that's what Ted tried to say to Tucker -- it's just Americans doing what they want.

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:36 am to
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We know JFK tried to get AZCPA, formally AIPAC, to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act and how that turned out,
How did it turn out??
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:37 am to
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How did it turn out??



Mindblowingly
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:37 am to
I'm sure they can also retain some excellent lawyers

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133554 posts
Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:39 am to
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Mindblowingly
I'm trying to determine if the OP is saying he believes Lee Harvey Oswald was a MOSSAD agent.
Posted by Paddyshack
Land of the Free
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:39 am to
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How did it turn out??

If I told you, it would make your head explode
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:44 am to
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Isn't it an organization of Americans? The 1A permits Americans to associate to argue for political causes, even if it's for another country.


American lobbyists must register under FARA all the time. This is how Paul Manafort got indicted, as he was working with the Ukrainian government, despite being an American.

AIPAC should absolutely be registered as a foreign agency, working on behalf of a foreign government. That it is comprised of American citizens is completely irrelevant to the nature of FARA.

Why is there so much resistance to pushing AIPAC into this box? Israel and the US shouldn't be tied together as closely as they are. It's worse than anything NATO ever thought about being.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:46 am to
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I'm trying to determine if the OP is saying he believes Lee Harvey Oswald was a MOSSAD agent.


I thought the lore was that he was ingrained in the White Russian (refugees from October Revolution) community and somehow that arrived at him being a CIA agent or useful idiot.
Posted by The Maj
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:47 am to
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argue for political causes, even if it's for another country.


So, you have no idea about FARA registration requirements...

Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
11389 posts
Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:47 am to
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American lobbyists must register under FARA all the time. This is how Paul Manafort got indicted, as he was working with the Ukrainian government, despite being an American.

AIPAC should absolutely be registered as a foreign agency, working on behalf of a foreign government. That it is comprised of American citizens is completely irrelevant to the nature of FARA.

Why is there so much resistance to pushing AIPAC into this box? Israel and the US shouldn't be tied together as closely as they are. It's worse than anything NATO ever thought about being.


The reason why is that AIPAC represents the foreign policy interests of the United States mediated through the lens of support for the state of Israel and the Jewish people. They don't have to play by the same rulebook because they're just an extension of the state.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:47 am to
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who you'd never think would need to register under FARA.


I think I need to register with FARA if I'm lobbying President Trump via Steve Scalise to lower the tariff on parmesan cheese to help increase the sales of parmesan cheese to America from Italy.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:48 am to
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quote:

How did it turn out??



Mindblowingly


I really feel bad because I lol'd.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133554 posts
Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:49 am to
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I thought the lore was that he was ingrained in the White Russian
He definitely ingrained a white Russian...
Posted by riccoar
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:49 am to
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I'm trying to determine if the OP is saying he believes Lee Harvey Oswald was a MOSSAD agent.


He doesn't post unless it's to disparage the Joos
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
7256 posts
Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:49 am to
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The reason why is that AIPAC represents the foreign policy interests of the United States mediated through the lens of support for the state of Israel and the Jewish people. They don't have to play by the same rulebook because they're just an extension of the state.


The US has a much stronger ethnic and historical relationship to the UK. Our interests have been directly intertwined since the War of 1812.

Does the UK have this same special carveout? As an ethnic British Islander, should I demand it?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:50 am to
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I'm trying to determine if the OP is saying he believes Lee Harvey Oswald was a MOSSAD agent.


I have no idea. The most plausible theory IMO was LBJ was very ambitious and he leveraged the tools around him.
Posted by Pecos Pedro
Member since Nov 2024
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:50 am to
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Posted by Riverside
Member since Jul 2022
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Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:53 am to
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GumboPot


Are you paid by Qatar? Or are you just a volunteer for the cause?
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