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Are annuities good investments?
Posted on 6/26/25 at 8:47 am
Posted on 6/26/25 at 8:47 am
Admittedly, I don’t know a lot about them. Can you explain them to me, generally? I have retirement accounts (traditional IRA, brokerage account, SEP-IRA), real estate, and life insurance. Should I look into annuities or forgo and keep investing in the market and/or real estate?
Posted on 6/26/25 at 9:01 am to GentleJackJones
Whether they're "good" investments depends on what you value.
Typically they're going to be more protected against sequence risk than investing straight into the market. Basically when you buy an annuity, you're paying an insurance premium to a middleman who absorbs the sequence risk for you.
That can be a "good" investment depending on your age and financial needs - e.g. if you're in retirement and can't afford to wait out market losses or can't recover from sequence risk if there's a series of down years. But it's going to be a bad investment if you need your money to grow over time and are able to self-insure against sequence risk in some capacity (live off less during down market years, generate other income sources during those years, etc.)
Typically they're going to be more protected against sequence risk than investing straight into the market. Basically when you buy an annuity, you're paying an insurance premium to a middleman who absorbs the sequence risk for you.
That can be a "good" investment depending on your age and financial needs - e.g. if you're in retirement and can't afford to wait out market losses or can't recover from sequence risk if there's a series of down years. But it's going to be a bad investment if you need your money to grow over time and are able to self-insure against sequence risk in some capacity (live off less during down market years, generate other income sources during those years, etc.)
Posted on 6/26/25 at 9:03 am to GentleJackJones
Not regulated by the SEC, instead regulated by state insurance offices. Insurance lobby wants it that way, not transparent on fees, complicated contract by design, salesmen with a Series 6 sell them instead of fiduciary money managers, limited liquidity and control. I have been in insurance and investment business for 25 years and the insurance company and guy selling annuities make off way better than the scared of markets people that buy them.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 9:06 am to GentleJackJones
Generally no. Do they have their use case? Sure but be very wary.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 9:12 am to GentleJackJones
They seem to find their way into the portfolios of the unaware. My wife went into LSU’s benefits department because she wanted to increase her retirement contributions. Fast forward two years and our accountant started asking why she bought $30k in annuities instead of starting a Roth. She just assumed TIA CREF knew best.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 9:36 am to GentleJackJones
I don't like them.
The costs are too high.
In the long run you are usually better off just putting your money in an index fund.
The salesmen love them because the commissions are high.
The costs are too high.
In the long run you are usually better off just putting your money in an index fund.
The salesmen love them because the commissions are high.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 9:53 am to GentleJackJones
Very high fees that are built into the product.
Most can do better. Many have life insurance benefits that appeal to some.
Most can do better. Many have life insurance benefits that appeal to some.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:40 am to Huey Lewis
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Whether they're "good" investments depends on what you value.
Typically they're going to be more protected against sequence risk than investing straight into the market. Basically when you buy an annuity, you're paying an insurance premium to a middleman who absorbs the sequence risk for you.
That can be a "good" investment depending on your age and financial needs - e.g. if you're in retirement and can't afford to wait out market losses or can't recover from sequence risk if there's a series of down years. But it's going to be a bad investment if you need your money to grow over time and are able to self-insure against sequence risk in some capacity (live off less during down market years, generate other income sources during those years, etc.)
I ask this utterly open handed, not knowing the answer: what, if anything, does an annuity give me that simply diversifying into something like bonds wouldn't? I complete get protecting against sequence risk, but annuities seem like the equivalent of using (and paying for) a canon to kill a mosquito, but that just makes me think I might be missing something.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:50 am to Joshjrn
You can’
What rate of return will bonds guarantee between 2040-2050 today?
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simply diversifying into something like bonds wouldn't
What rate of return will bonds guarantee between 2040-2050 today?
Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:54 am to lsuconnman
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What rate of return will bonds guarantee between 2040-2050 today?
Guarantee? No guarantee.
What are annuities guaranteeing for that period, does that return include fees/upfront costs, when does that amount vest, and how much does it lock up liquidity?
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:01 am to Joshjrn
That’s the whole point of the annuity. It was traditionally sold as the alternative to a defined benefits plan. But now that you have index funds, covered call ETFs, etc., they only make sense for the uninformed.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:34 am to Joshjrn
What are annuities guaranteeing for that period
Different kinds of annuities for different reasons.. btw you can get them guaranteed for your life.. ie immediate fixed income for you and your spouse with guaranteed keep you whole clause.
Some are bad.. some good.. different reasons for them to be used or not used in your retirement income stream..
Different kinds of annuities for different reasons.. btw you can get them guaranteed for your life.. ie immediate fixed income for you and your spouse with guaranteed keep you whole clause.
Some are bad.. some good.. different reasons for them to be used or not used in your retirement income stream..
Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:46 am to lsuconnman
Annuity as a 100% guaranteed safe pay out is an misnomer. Annuity guaranteed returns are only as good as the company issuing them (similar to bonds.)
Annuity providers have gone insolvent. Federal govt doesn't back them (like FDIC) and state's provide varying degrees of protection. In past, Annuity holders haven't always been made while if insurance company goes insolvent.
Annuity providers have gone insolvent. Federal govt doesn't back them (like FDIC) and state's provide varying degrees of protection. In past, Annuity holders haven't always been made while if insurance company goes insolvent.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 6:47 pm to GentleJackJones
I'm not an expert but I've read enough that I have no interest in them. Over on Bogleheads, the general consensus is the only type of annuity to even consider is a Single Premium Immediate Annuity (SPIA). All others should be avoided.
For guaranteed income, I prefer using individual treasury bonds (specifically TIPS if over 5 years)
For guaranteed income, I prefer using individual treasury bonds (specifically TIPS if over 5 years)
Posted on 6/26/25 at 7:10 pm to gpburdell
I’ve been seriously considering a deferred joint annuity as a way to provide lifetime income for both my spouse and me. The structure is simple: after a 5-year deferral period, it would pay out approximately 10% annually of the initial deposit—so for every $100,000 invested, it would generate about $10,000 per year, guaranteed, for as long as either of us is alive.
What appeals to me most is the guaranteed lifetime income, regardless of market performance. That kind of stability is hard to find elsewhere.
However, there are a couple of drawbacks that give me pause:
No inflation protection, which means the purchasing power of those payments could erode over time.
No meaningful death benefit if both of us pass away after the first 10 years—so there's a risk of the insurer keeping the remainder.
I still think allocating 10–20% of our portfolio to something like this can make sense as part of a broader retirement strategy, especially for income stability.
That said, I’ve been going back and forth on this for months and still haven’t been able to fully commit. I’m weighing the long-term security against the opportunity cost and lack of flexibility.
What appeals to me most is the guaranteed lifetime income, regardless of market performance. That kind of stability is hard to find elsewhere.
However, there are a couple of drawbacks that give me pause:
No inflation protection, which means the purchasing power of those payments could erode over time.
No meaningful death benefit if both of us pass away after the first 10 years—so there's a risk of the insurer keeping the remainder.
I still think allocating 10–20% of our portfolio to something like this can make sense as part of a broader retirement strategy, especially for income stability.
That said, I’ve been going back and forth on this for months and still haven’t been able to fully commit. I’m weighing the long-term security against the opportunity cost and lack of flexibility.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 8:06 pm to FriscoTiger
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No inflation protection, which means the purchasing power of those payments could erode over time.
That's going to be an issue with most investments.
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No meaningful death benefit if both of us pass away after the first 10 years—so there's a risk of the insurer keeping the remainder.
Are you thinking about purchasing a SPIA? The insurance company isn't keeping that money. It's going to people in the pool that live longer than you.
My mother has a SPIA that is providing her a guaranteed income and has been a nice supplement to her income much like a pension. Since she doesn't have to draw as much from her other investments for her income it has enabled those investments to continue to grow. She is 90 years old and will never run out of money in large part due to the SPIA she purchased over 15 years ago.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 8:15 pm to GentleJackJones
Good investment depends upon what you are using it for. Annuities can be useful as tools to solve for risks - you transfer the risk to the insurance company. Can be market risk or downside risk. Risk of running out of money etc.
There is a trade off. Thr insurance company isn’t in the business of losing money. And usually there is a lock up period where you pay a penalty for access.
Finally - they have high commissions. Be wary of anyone pushing them hard or anyone throwing steak luncheons to pitch them to a group. And especially anyone who thinks your whole 401k etc should go into one.
Overall I’m not a fan but I understand how they could be a small part of the allocation and tool for others.
There is a trade off. Thr insurance company isn’t in the business of losing money. And usually there is a lock up period where you pay a penalty for access.
Finally - they have high commissions. Be wary of anyone pushing them hard or anyone throwing steak luncheons to pitch them to a group. And especially anyone who thinks your whole 401k etc should go into one.
Overall I’m not a fan but I understand how they could be a small part of the allocation and tool for others.
This post was edited on 6/26/25 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 6/26/25 at 8:15 pm to La Place Mike
I am not looking at a SPIA b/c i don't need the money for another 5 years and I feel rates will be lower in 5 years than they are now.
Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:32 pm to GentleJackJones
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Are annuities good investments?
F no!
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