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Masterclass from Trump. He set up BeBe and the neocons. Mark Levin is already crying.

Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:24 am
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:24 am
Trump delayed action and frustrated BeBe. Finally BeBe cut a deal. "You bomb those nuke sites and you'll hear nothing else from me."

Trump's response was "OK BeBe". But you owe me. He orders the raid. It was successful. Then he declares peace.

There went BeBe's dream of regime change. There went the warhawk's dream of the next big war.

The Iranians are actually very rational. They knew exactly what was going on. Trump went in deep and obliterated their nuclear complexes. Then he declared peace.

The next day he mentioned regime change as they drug their feet and then they promptly told the Qurtar to let the Americans know that their face saving attack was on its way.

It was over.

Trump is now out. Israel is defanged. Iran is humbled. The neocons are furious yet forced to praise Trump.

And Trump is both the great peacemaker and feared warlord at the same time.

And what this has done is set Trump up with much cred to walk away from Ukraine.

Had Trump not attacked he would have been in the claws of Netenyahu and his buddies in Congress. Now he has forced them all to shut up.

He's in charge.

Remember this day. This was a masterclass in leadership and negotiation.

I owe Trump an apology. I doubted him. I had no idea.

This post was edited on 6/24/25 at 1:08 am
Posted by TTOWN RONMON
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:26 am to
How do you know Khamenei is not dead?
Posted by NashvilleTider
Your Mom
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:27 am to
A great post!
Posted by Eurocat
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:28 am to
I think you are overthinking the whole thing.
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:29 am to
What is Levin saying?
Posted by ezride25
Constitutional Republic
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:32 am to
I don’t think you are thinking clearly.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:33 am to
He's whining that the Mullahs can rebuild their nuclear industry and that we stopped short.

But...he doesn't dare say anything negative about Trump.
Posted by Floating Change Up
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:33 am to
quote:

The Iranians are actually very rational.


The fact that you actually typed those words, makes everything else nothing more than hoping. Sure, you may have nailed the situation perfectly.

But the fact you called Iranian leadership rational proves you don’t understand them or this situation.

They are not dumb.
They are not cowards.

And they 100% are NOT rational.
This post was edited on 6/24/25 at 12:34 am
Posted by RollingwiththeTide
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:34 am to
Iran is rational? Iran helped plan, fund, and blessed the OCT 7th attack. After Hamas cooked babies alive in ovens and cut fetuses from a living mother these rational people celebrated the attacks. People that agree with cooking infants alive are rational?
Posted by hwyman108
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:36 am to
I don’t think you’re understanding or being opened minded about what he’s describing from his on assessment of the last 12days.

I’m not saying he nailed it, but he’s damn close.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6658 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:37 am to
Well they were rational today. And they did the same exact thing when Trump took out Soleimani.

I didn't see them block the straight of Hormuz.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:37 am to
quote:

He set up BeBe and the neocons
Is it BeBe or Bibi?

Think before you answer - it's important
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:40 am to
Levin is irrational and emotional.
Posted by Sofaking2
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:44 am to
Bebe Orgeron?
This post was edited on 6/24/25 at 12:45 am
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6658 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:50 am to
quote:

"The rationality of an opponent must never be denied—even if it manifests in cruelty."


Edward Luttwak
Expert on Military Strategy


Posted by RollingwiththeTide
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 6/24/25 at 12:53 am to
Brother this is all I know. I’m 100% sure there is no good way to murder an infant. Cooking them alive certainly wouldn’t be on the list.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6658 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 1:01 am to
Why are you stuck on this point. It has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

And I will remind you that it was Netenyahu who positioned the crazy and cruel Hamas baby killers in power in Gaza. And he did so precisely so that people like you would see their evil and conclude that Palestinians are less than human.
This post was edited on 6/24/25 at 1:03 am
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6658 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 1:05 am to
This was written a day before Trump's raid.

quote:

One soldier who served in Iraq, and therefore learned from personal experience how Americans were sent to fight and die for no reason, is Vice President Vance, who has placed several like-minded officials in key positions. At any rate, these varied disasters neatly explain the rising isolationism right across American political life, even if Trump’s intention is merely to add a few heavy bomber sorties to Israel’s war, thereby denuclearising Iran for years to come.

Perhaps these new isolationists do not believe Trump. Or else they do, but fear what the Pentagon and the intelligence community will do with his one-night strike plans. Perhaps they fear that after the bombing, there will be more fighting, and even calls for “nation-building” to repair the damage. After all, their fathers were sent to Vietnam because of Washington’s pathetic ignorance, and they themselves served in George Bush’s quagmires.

Most people understand that Israelis are allies fighting for their lives, and are not Vietnamese, Afghans or Iraqis, out to get what they can from rich, naive Americans. More people also know that the Israelis would never want Americans to fight for them, except for a few bomber crews for a single night.

But after years of lies, of foolish optimism by eager, ignorant generals, these new isolationists are determined not to be deceived again. It will therefore take a firm decision by Trump to bring the Iran war to an end, with the destruction of the Fordow centrifuge deep underground — the one thing the Israelis cannot do for themselves without risking the lives of hundreds of commandos very far from home. Either way, Trump himself should emphatically rule out any attempt at regime change, let alone nation-building. You do not need the CIA to tell you that trying will end in ruin.

Professor Edward Luttwakis a strategist and historian known for his works on grand strategy, geoeconomics, military history, and international relations.


Posted by RollingwiththeTide
Member since Oct 2020
5936 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 1:09 am to
Anyone and I mean anyone that agrees with that slaughter is pure evil. There is no debate about it. How can you make any deal with people like this and trust they will keep it? You can’t. That’s why I’m harping on it so.

Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
16685 posts
Posted on 6/24/25 at 1:09 am to
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I don’t think you’re understanding or being opened minded about what he’s describing from his on assessment of the last 12days.


Cults I used to see on campus pushing religious all had the "out there" stuff, hey, relax, it's all okay, you just don't know, be openminded, here, take our pamphlet" nonsense. The facts are there for all to see, the rest is simply "what if" and I refuse to engage in theories just so someone should see me as openminded. This is a serious message board not a drunken late night college bull session in the dorn,
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