Started By
Message
locked post

Is there anything more "Deep State" than US military conflict with Iran?

Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:13 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
472993 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:13 am
To summarize for those who do not want to read, there is nothing more "Deep State" or "globalist" than war in Iran.

One of the seminal moments of "Deep State" was when US and British intel agencies helped the Shah overthrown a socialist (and likely USSR-aligned), democratically elected leadership, who had just nationalized Iran's oil industry. Wiki article on the nationalization

This led to the organic revolution in 1979 by the Islamic extremists to overthrow the Shah, which basically kicked off the era of increased conflict in the region. Not only did Iran become a major sponsor of terrorism against Western interest and those aligned with Israel, but it also became a major beacon of conflict (from terrorism to full on wars) with Sunni Islam. This almost immediately led to the US propping up the minority, Sunni Bath party in Iraq to support Saddam in the extremely bloody Iran-Iraq war of the 80s, which led to 2 wars in Iraq. The increased threat of Iran against Israel raised the stakes so to speak, which led to the radicalization of Saudi Arabian Sunnis against the US, leading to AQ and OBL (and we all know what happened there).

The "Deep State" has been trying consistently since 1979 to figure out a way to go to war directly with Iran. The only reason this ever subsides is that the effects of the radicalization in the region the "Deep State" caused led us to have to focus elsewhere pretty often after the 80s. But once those other threats died down for a moment, the "Deep State" became hyper-focused on Iran again.

Prior to this past week, this was the meme from those who focus on the "Deep State". Somehow along the way, as the GWB-era neocon essence has flowed freely, those who claim to oppose the "Deep State" have apparently forgotten that stance.

Israel/Mossad in recent times has stepped up as the primary driver of this "Deep State", "anti-terror" position in the region, so we cannot pretend that they're somehow separate from the "Deep State". They are, in many ways, the "Deep State". While Mossad is not always aligned with US or Western interests/intel (hence the quotations on "Deep State", as it's a malleable term), you can be pretty assured that any major operation in the ME relies heavily on intel and support from Mossad, as they're the major player in the region without peer.

So, given all of this, how can people who oppose the "Deep State" so blindly fall into an obvious "Deep State"-driven conflict?

I mean, this is bordering on full on "globalist" scheme, beyond just the "Deep State" label.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
137618 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:17 am to
quote:

Is there anything more "Deep State" than US military conflict with Iran?
Yes. "Slava Ukraini" being but one example.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
39374 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:21 am to
Either Jihadist Islam is serious and truly committed to their professed hegemonic theological principles or they are not. Either they truly believe that martyrdom in service of said Theology is the highest order of life or they don’t. Bin Laden said that “they live life and we love death”

We have to make a seriously consequential choice. Deep State nws.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
472993 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:23 am to
quote:

Yes. "Slava Ukraini" being but one example.

Not even close.

We have almost 50 years of "Deep State" pushing for military conflict with Iran, and Iran has been far less aggressive than Russia in terms of invasions of foreign nations or attempts to install puppet regimes (Georgia, Belarus, Moldova, etc.)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
472993 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:23 am to
quote:

We have to make a seriously consequential choice.

In the past 20 years, we've made that choice a few times (Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc.). How did that work for the region, US, etc.?
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46810 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:27 am to
The one thing you seem to forget is that history does not exist. All actions are created in a vacuum
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
472993 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:29 am to
quote:

The one thing you seem to forget is that history does not exist. All actions are created in a vacuum

Wouldn't that mean this means the Deep State, globalism, etc. also do not exist? If we're playing by those rules, how could you ever define those concepts? They were already strained enough due to the intentional vagueness and malleability, but by removing history from the analysis, oh boy.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
41789 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:29 am to
War with Iran has been the #1 objective of every neocon cretin who's been in DC the last 40 years. When you're on the same side as McCain, Romney, Bolton, Graham and the Clinton's, you're on the wrong side of an issue. This issue will end the MAGA movement, as it's already being co-opted by neocons.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 7:29 am
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
7874 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:31 am to
Now do Ukraine.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
10383 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:31 am to
Yes, the US Intelligence Community

This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 6:34 am
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
81690 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:32 am to
Given that we're a global hegemon in deep financial trouble and will likely collapse if our hegemon isn't kept intact, what are the cost of doing nothing?

Because doing nothing isn't free either.

My preference is to create a totally self sufficient fortress America and stay out of everything. But with our debt situation being what it is I don't see how that's possible.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
472993 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:33 am to
quote:

War with Iran has been the #1 objective of every neocon cretin who's been in DC the last 40 years. When you're on the same side as McCain, Romney, Bolton, Graham and the Clinton's, you're on the wrong side of an issue. This issue will end the MAGA movement, as it's already be co-opted by neocons.


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
472993 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:34 am to
quote:

Now do Ukraine.

Already covered.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
472993 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:35 am to
quote:

Given that we're a global hegemon in deep financial trouble and will likely collapse if our hegemon isn't kept intact, what are the cost of doing nothing?


What is the cost of doing nothing?

How does incurring more debt for a war with Iran help?

quote:

My preference is to create a totally self sufficient fortress America and stay out of everything.

Then we would be much poorer and unable to pay our debt
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
24666 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:40 am to
quote:

Yes. "Slava Ukraini" being but one example.


That’s different.



Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
81690 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:41 am to
quote:

Then we would be much poorer and unable to pay our debt


Yeah.

So, got to keep the hegemony rolling on I guess.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
472993 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:41 am to
quote:

That’s different.

Which sovereign nation has Iran invaded immediately prior to this conflict?

That's a bit of a difference, friend.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
472993 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:41 am to
quote:

So, got to keep the hegemony rolling on I guess.

False choice fallacy inspired by a bit of nihilism I'd imagine.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
24666 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:42 am to
quote:

War with Iran has been the #1 objective of every neocon cretin who's been in DC the last 40 years. When you're on the same side as McCain, Romney, Bolton, Graham and the Clinton's, you're on the wrong side of an issue. This issue will end the MAGA movement, as it's already be co-opted by neocons.



Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
39374 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:43 am to
No more wars, SF. Hit that reactor fortress and hands off.
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 9Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on X, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookXInstagram