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Is there anything more "Deep State" than US military conflict with Iran?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:13 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:13 am
To summarize for those who do not want to read, there is nothing more "Deep State" or "globalist" than war in Iran.
One of the seminal moments of "Deep State" was when US and British intel agencies helped the Shah overthrown a socialist (and likely USSR-aligned), democratically elected leadership, who had just nationalized Iran's oil industry. Wiki article on the nationalization
This led to the organic revolution in 1979 by the Islamic extremists to overthrow the Shah, which basically kicked off the era of increased conflict in the region. Not only did Iran become a major sponsor of terrorism against Western interest and those aligned with Israel, but it also became a major beacon of conflict (from terrorism to full on wars) with Sunni Islam. This almost immediately led to the US propping up the minority, Sunni Bath party in Iraq to support Saddam in the extremely bloody Iran-Iraq war of the 80s, which led to 2 wars in Iraq. The increased threat of Iran against Israel raised the stakes so to speak, which led to the radicalization of Saudi Arabian Sunnis against the US, leading to AQ and OBL (and we all know what happened there).
The "Deep State" has been trying consistently since 1979 to figure out a way to go to war directly with Iran. The only reason this ever subsides is that the effects of the radicalization in the region the "Deep State" caused led us to have to focus elsewhere pretty often after the 80s. But once those other threats died down for a moment, the "Deep State" became hyper-focused on Iran again.
Prior to this past week, this was the meme from those who focus on the "Deep State". Somehow along the way, as the GWB-era neocon essence has flowed freely, those who claim to oppose the "Deep State" have apparently forgotten that stance.
Israel/Mossad in recent times has stepped up as the primary driver of this "Deep State", "anti-terror" position in the region, so we cannot pretend that they're somehow separate from the "Deep State". They are, in many ways, the "Deep State". While Mossad is not always aligned with US or Western interests/intel (hence the quotations on "Deep State", as it's a malleable term), you can be pretty assured that any major operation in the ME relies heavily on intel and support from Mossad, as they're the major player in the region without peer.
So, given all of this, how can people who oppose the "Deep State" so blindly fall into an obvious "Deep State"-driven conflict?
I mean, this is bordering on full on "globalist" scheme, beyond just the "Deep State" label.
One of the seminal moments of "Deep State" was when US and British intel agencies helped the Shah overthrown a socialist (and likely USSR-aligned), democratically elected leadership, who had just nationalized Iran's oil industry. Wiki article on the nationalization
This led to the organic revolution in 1979 by the Islamic extremists to overthrow the Shah, which basically kicked off the era of increased conflict in the region. Not only did Iran become a major sponsor of terrorism against Western interest and those aligned with Israel, but it also became a major beacon of conflict (from terrorism to full on wars) with Sunni Islam. This almost immediately led to the US propping up the minority, Sunni Bath party in Iraq to support Saddam in the extremely bloody Iran-Iraq war of the 80s, which led to 2 wars in Iraq. The increased threat of Iran against Israel raised the stakes so to speak, which led to the radicalization of Saudi Arabian Sunnis against the US, leading to AQ and OBL (and we all know what happened there).
The "Deep State" has been trying consistently since 1979 to figure out a way to go to war directly with Iran. The only reason this ever subsides is that the effects of the radicalization in the region the "Deep State" caused led us to have to focus elsewhere pretty often after the 80s. But once those other threats died down for a moment, the "Deep State" became hyper-focused on Iran again.
Prior to this past week, this was the meme from those who focus on the "Deep State". Somehow along the way, as the GWB-era neocon essence has flowed freely, those who claim to oppose the "Deep State" have apparently forgotten that stance.
Israel/Mossad in recent times has stepped up as the primary driver of this "Deep State", "anti-terror" position in the region, so we cannot pretend that they're somehow separate from the "Deep State". They are, in many ways, the "Deep State". While Mossad is not always aligned with US or Western interests/intel (hence the quotations on "Deep State", as it's a malleable term), you can be pretty assured that any major operation in the ME relies heavily on intel and support from Mossad, as they're the major player in the region without peer.
So, given all of this, how can people who oppose the "Deep State" so blindly fall into an obvious "Deep State"-driven conflict?
I mean, this is bordering on full on "globalist" scheme, beyond just the "Deep State" label.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:17 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yes. "Slava Ukraini" being but one example.
Is there anything more "Deep State" than US military conflict with Iran?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:21 am to SlowFlowPro
Either Jihadist Islam is serious and truly committed to their professed hegemonic theological principles or they are not. Either they truly believe that martyrdom in service of said Theology is the highest order of life or they don’t. Bin Laden said that “they live life and we love death”
We have to make a seriously consequential choice. Deep State nws.
We have to make a seriously consequential choice. Deep State nws.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:23 am to NC_Tigah
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Yes. "Slava Ukraini" being but one example.
Not even close.
We have almost 50 years of "Deep State" pushing for military conflict with Iran, and Iran has been far less aggressive than Russia in terms of invasions of foreign nations or attempts to install puppet regimes (Georgia, Belarus, Moldova, etc.)
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:23 am to RCDfan1950
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We have to make a seriously consequential choice.
In the past 20 years, we've made that choice a few times (Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc.). How did that work for the region, US, etc.?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:27 am to SlowFlowPro
The one thing you seem to forget is that history does not exist. All actions are created in a vacuum
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:29 am to joshnorris14
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The one thing you seem to forget is that history does not exist. All actions are created in a vacuum
Wouldn't that mean this means the Deep State, globalism, etc. also do not exist? If we're playing by those rules, how could you ever define those concepts? They were already strained enough due to the intentional vagueness and malleability, but by removing history from the analysis, oh boy.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:29 am to SlowFlowPro
War with Iran has been the #1 objective of every neocon cretin who's been in DC the last 40 years. When you're on the same side as McCain, Romney, Bolton, Graham and the Clinton's, you're on the wrong side of an issue. This issue will end the MAGA movement, as it's already being co-opted by neocons.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 7:29 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Yes, the US Intelligence Community


This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 6:34 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:32 am to SlowFlowPro
Given that we're a global hegemon in deep financial trouble and will likely collapse if our hegemon isn't kept intact, what are the cost of doing nothing?
Because doing nothing isn't free either.
My preference is to create a totally self sufficient fortress America and stay out of everything. But with our debt situation being what it is I don't see how that's possible.
Because doing nothing isn't free either.
My preference is to create a totally self sufficient fortress America and stay out of everything. But with our debt situation being what it is I don't see how that's possible.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:33 am to SCLibertarian
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War with Iran has been the #1 objective of every neocon cretin who's been in DC the last 40 years. When you're on the same side as McCain, Romney, Bolton, Graham and the Clinton's, you're on the wrong side of an issue. This issue will end the MAGA movement, as it's already be co-opted by neocons.

Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:34 am to Perfect Circle
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Now do Ukraine.
Already covered.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:35 am to TrueTiger
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Given that we're a global hegemon in deep financial trouble and will likely collapse if our hegemon isn't kept intact, what are the cost of doing nothing?
What is the cost of doing nothing?
How does incurring more debt for a war with Iran help?
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My preference is to create a totally self sufficient fortress America and stay out of everything.
Then we would be much poorer and unable to pay our debt
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:40 am to NC_Tigah
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Yes. "Slava Ukraini" being but one example.
That’s different.

Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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Then we would be much poorer and unable to pay our debt
Yeah.
So, got to keep the hegemony rolling on I guess.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:41 am to Toomer Deplorable
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That’s different.
Which sovereign nation has Iran invaded immediately prior to this conflict?
That's a bit of a difference, friend.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:41 am to TrueTiger
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So, got to keep the hegemony rolling on I guess.
False choice fallacy inspired by a bit of nihilism I'd imagine.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:42 am to SCLibertarian
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War with Iran has been the #1 objective of every neocon cretin who's been in DC the last 40 years. When you're on the same side as McCain, Romney, Bolton, Graham and the Clinton's, you're on the wrong side of an issue. This issue will end the MAGA movement, as it's already be co-opted by neocons.

Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:43 am to SlowFlowPro
No more wars, SF. Hit that reactor fortress and hands off.
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