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The level of naivety regarding the Iranian conflict is disturbing
Posted on 6/18/25 at 7:56 am
Posted on 6/18/25 at 7:56 am
Whatever you think about Israel is irrelevant. This has nothing to do with warmongers or neocons or warhawks or Zionism or any of that nonsense
Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism. They will attack anyone, anywhere at anytime, including civilians. Something that doesn't get discussed much is that many Iranians celebrate these attacks, especially on Americans/America. That sentiment needs to be pounded into submission with impunity. Don't talk to me about "innocent" people. If they were innocent, they would have rebelled against the Islamic regime. Iran seeking a nuclear weapon is just ADDED incentive to get the job done
Here are FACTS
1. America has real enemies. They are constantly working to destroy YOU and your way of life
2. You either fight these fights on American soil or abroad. You don't get the option of "staying out of it." Eventually, these conflicts will reach domestic shores if we are passive
I choose to fight abroad, every time, without question. And yes, I am fully aware of all the crap that is a consequence of this approach; nation building, regime toppling, CIA, boots on the ground, cost of conflict, funding insurrectionists and then they become an enemy, MIC, etc. Do I want us to do unscrupulous, immoral, unjust things? Absolutely not but it's all necessary evil to keep the conflict as far away from the US as possible
PROactive vs REactive
I guess people don't realize that the freedom to speak out against foreign conflict is protected by a proactive strategy, not a reactive strategy. Saying "stay out of it" is just sawing off the branch you are sitting on. It is unrealistic and naive
Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism. They will attack anyone, anywhere at anytime, including civilians. Something that doesn't get discussed much is that many Iranians celebrate these attacks, especially on Americans/America. That sentiment needs to be pounded into submission with impunity. Don't talk to me about "innocent" people. If they were innocent, they would have rebelled against the Islamic regime. Iran seeking a nuclear weapon is just ADDED incentive to get the job done
Here are FACTS
1. America has real enemies. They are constantly working to destroy YOU and your way of life
2. You either fight these fights on American soil or abroad. You don't get the option of "staying out of it." Eventually, these conflicts will reach domestic shores if we are passive
I choose to fight abroad, every time, without question. And yes, I am fully aware of all the crap that is a consequence of this approach; nation building, regime toppling, CIA, boots on the ground, cost of conflict, funding insurrectionists and then they become an enemy, MIC, etc. Do I want us to do unscrupulous, immoral, unjust things? Absolutely not but it's all necessary evil to keep the conflict as far away from the US as possible
PROactive vs REactive
I guess people don't realize that the freedom to speak out against foreign conflict is protected by a proactive strategy, not a reactive strategy. Saying "stay out of it" is just sawing off the branch you are sitting on. It is unrealistic and naive
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:01 am to somethingdifferent
quote:Those that can't be reasoned with, must be fought. That's just how the world works. President Trump has tried over and over to reason with Iran and work out a deal where they can't and won't have a nuke. Those negotiations failed, meaning they can't be reasoned with.
somethingdifferent
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:01 am to somethingdifferent
I have no beef with us protecting America against radical jihadists. Kill every last motherfricking one of them.
But, when we are done we need to take whatever we spent in defending Israel out of their economy. It's all about my tax dollars now.
But, when we are done we need to take whatever we spent in defending Israel out of their economy. It's all about my tax dollars now.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:02 am to somethingdifferent
THE NEO CONS ARE BACK BABY
They could only pretend they had changed for so long after 2016. All the rational analysts knew this was a ruse and they couldn't resist when given the opportunity.
We need GMB and Toothpick for this monumental occasion.
They could only pretend they had changed for so long after 2016. All the rational analysts knew this was a ruse and they couldn't resist when given the opportunity.
We need GMB and Toothpick for this monumental occasion.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:03 am to somethingdifferent
quote:
Something that doesn't get discussed much is that many Iranians celebrate these attacks, especially on Americans/America.
This is where I think you're wrong and this board is very inconsistent. If it was any other middle eastern country, I would buy that. But, what we are being sold is that the masses are smart, beautiful people being held down my the insane mullahs. You can't have it both ways -- that (a) they're all a bunch of savages, and (b) they are on the verge of a great country with different leadership. I don't think Persians are savages.
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 8:04 am
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:05 am to somethingdifferent
quote:
Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism.
Tends to happen when youre a puppet state for years...
You could use some Ron Paul in your life about now, and learn about "blowback."
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:05 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Oh here we go. 14th amendment expert
SlowFlowPro
It's amazing that I addressed your idiotic response in the OP and then you later post the exact crap that I addressed.
Tell me what I said that's not factual or wrong
Worst. Person. Ever
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:08 am to somethingdifferent
quote:
Tell me what I said that's not factual or wrong
It's as factual as the arguments to attack Iraq (2003), Afghanistan, and Libya.
All 3 were horrible failures long-term that killed thousands of Americans, left tens of thousands of soldiers with horrible PTSD, killed millions of non-Americans, and cost trillions.
Why do you want to do the same thing all over again with Iran?
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:09 am to Bunk Moreland
Persians have a long history of making people captives.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:11 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:I have seen video otherwise and I know people in this country who are sympathetic to the terrorists. You're being naive
This is where I think you're wrong and this board is very inconsistent
quote:There are some of those. But now is the time for them to get out of dodge. They had their chance
what we are being sold is that the masses are smart, beautiful people being held down my the insane mullahs
quote:Actually you can because your portrayal is a false dichotomy
You can't have it both ways
quote:To say that they are completely innocent of Islam is naive. If they're so great, they've done a horrible job of suppressing the most evil force the world has ever known
I don't think Persians are savages
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:11 am to Bunk Moreland
I say uneducated savages. Animals even.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:14 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Naive. Good job buying the propaganda. How very George Floyd of you
Tends to happen when youre a puppet state for years
quote:I addressed this in the OP
You could use some Ron Paul in your life about now, and learn about "blowback."
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:16 am to somethingdifferent
quote:
Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism. They will attack anyone, anywhere at anytime, including civilians.
But Blumpf is starting a war!!
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:17 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Even the liberal, America-hating NYT reported that Iraq had WMD. This is one of the biggest lies on this board
It's as factual as the arguments to attack Iraq
quote:You are conflating 2 different issues. The JUSTIFICATION for conflict vs the STRATEGY/EXECUTION of the conflict itself. This is absolutely no surprise to anyone that you are misguided on this.
All 3 were horrible failures long-term that killed thousands of Americans, left tens of thousands of soldiers with horrible PTSD, killed millions of non-Americans, and cost trillions
I'll ask again, tell me what I said in the OP that's false
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:18 am to somethingdifferent
You sound like a tyrant.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:21 am to themunch
quote:
making people captives
Which people doesn't?
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:21 am to LSUAngelHere1
quote:Typical. Tell me what I said that's false
You sound like a tyrant
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:23 am to somethingdifferent
quote:
Naive. Good job buying the propaganda
They were in every sense of the word a puppet state.
quote:
On Aug. 19, 2013, the CIA publicly admitted for the first time its involvement in the 1953 coup against Iran's elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:23 am to somethingdifferent
Yeah, I remember all of you kind 20 years ago.
Yella cake!
He sponsors terrorism!
We have to fight them there so we don’t have to fight them here!
Yeah, who’s being naive?
Yella cake!
He sponsors terrorism!
We have to fight them there so we don’t have to fight them here!
Yeah, who’s being naive?
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:23 am to somethingdifferent
quote:
If they were innocent, they would have rebelled against the Islamic regime.
If you lived there you wouldn't do shite
Everyone likes to think that they're special but they're not
You've never lived in an oppressive government so don't tell me what you would do if you did
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