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The Fall of Saigon-50 Years Ago

Posted on 4/30/25 at 6:45 am
Posted by BluegrassCardinal
Kentucky
Member since Nov 2022
1719 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 6:45 am
To most, April 30,1975 was the conclusion of American involvement in the Vietnam War. Any effort or accomplishment we made in holding the North Vietnamese from occupying the South was all for naught. The South's army, the ARVN, collapsed due to lack of supplies, poor training and really too much dependence on US aid.

For the men and women that served in Vietnam I feel a sense of sadness and indignation. They were asked to go to a tropical hellhole and fight for the MIC, which had been conflated by the "domino theory" of communist expansion.

My dad served two tours over, 1966 into 67 I believe. He was in the USMC and enlisted in 1965, right after high school. He was honorable mention All State in Kentucky HS football. Had a couple of offers, and I remember him saying Georgia Tech had sent some letters of interest. To me, he wasted a college football career for a meaningless war and the scars that would result from the war.

My dad was injured and received a Purple Heart and Bronze Star. I still have those medals under his flag that his mounted on my bookshelf. He was also exposed to agent orange that caused pulmonary issues. Aside from the physical wounds, he had the emotional scarring that battle brings. He had PTSD from the violence he witnessed and that segued into a bad alcohol dependency in the 70's and 80's. Sadly that affected my family.

That story was pretty common for a significant amount of veterans. PTSD, alcohol dependency and drug abuse. The war affected veteran's families by proxy. And still does, as our Vietnam war vets are aging and still dealing with the turmoil.

So, to any of our veterans who served during this era-thank you for your service and sacrifice. It was a hell of a war and you all were mistreated in different ways. I would like to think our government had learned something, yet the war machine finds new ways to stay relevant and quite alive.
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
1887 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 6:52 am to
I was born in 73 and had an uncle that died over there. Growing up it seemed like the war was still present even if people didn't talk about it much. I guess it was still in the culture - movies and televisiin, and even music. It seems totally forgotten today - which I believe is how our leaders want it and all the other wars/conflicts since WW2.
Posted by Smoky Mountain Reign
Member since Oct 2022
376 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 7:02 am to
quote:

That story was pretty common for a significant amount of veterans. PTSD, alcohol dependency and drug abuse. The war affected veteran's families by proxy. And still does, as our Vietnam war vets are aging and still dealing with the turmoil.


Yep
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
45856 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 7:03 am to
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They were asked to go to a tropical hellhole and fight for the MIC,


I hope they're keeping Lyndon Baines Johnson in the worst part of Hell. The lifelong crook not only deceived the American people about JFK's assassination, but of course he was right in the middle of the Gulf of Tonkin false flag, too.

My Dad's family was from East Texas, and they all hated LBJ. When JFK chose Johnson to be his running mate, my Dad told me (later, of course) that my Grandfather said, "That's the biggest mistake Kennedy ever made. Johnson will have Kennedy killed."

Rest in Hell, Lyndon.
Posted by texas tortilla
houston
Member since Dec 2015
3985 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 7:28 am to
sounds like the south viet nam army collapsed as quickly as the american trained and armed afghanistan army. i have read that most people in south viet nam sympathized with ho chi minh. it was always going to be hopeless.
Posted by GatorOnAnIsland
Florida
Member since Jan 2019
9153 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 7:39 am to
The Vietnam war was probably one of the first “deep state” wars contrived by the CIA. As President Eisenhower stated “ watch out for the military industrial complex “. A friend of mine was a F4 pilot another a F105 there. They said that they usually were not allowed to bomb or engage in real target threats, but were sent out to shoot and drop bombs in unpopulated fields. Same for B52’s. We weren’t allowed to win it, just keep it going. Aprox 60k US service members died for this.

I believe the last war the US wanted to win was WW2. It got political right after when Europe was divided and too much was given to Russian block control.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
20030 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 7:48 am to
It’s entirely possible that LBJ is the worst human being ever to be elected president.

His disastrous great society program ushered in the modern welfare state as well, crushing inner cities, destroying two parent families and sending us careening towards our current mess.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
36886 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 7:54 am to
My older brother served and was "in country".He was spared much of the PTSD upon return but in 55 years, we probably haven't spent 30 minutes talking about the war, and I'm a curious person. He just didn't want to talk about it. Weird part is he had a 4F derferrment, but because his two best friends volunteered (one Navy and one USMC), he insisted in going and somehow got around the deferrment.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33649 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 7:58 am to
quote:

He had PTSD from the violence he witnessed and that segued into a bad alcohol dependency in the 70's and 80's. Sadly that affected my family.
This has been the cycle of every human conflict since the dawn of time. Even for histories most warlike cultures. War makes otherwise good men do monstrous things.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
56794 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 8:03 am to
My dad joined the Air Force just before the draft. He knew a draft was coming. He had some friends at the draft board that told him that if you don't' want to be thrown into some random unit, enlist. He went down to New Orleans and enlisted in the Air Force. He initially didn't qualify, but then again, he knew some people on the draft board and they accepted him. He was a firefighter for the air force and was stationed in Taiwan. He didn't see any frontline combat. He did tell stories of a few plane crashes and putting out fires.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
13146 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 8:30 am to
Our Vietnam Veterans stopped Chinese Communist agression for 50 years providing peace and stability in the regions.

Kudos to our Vets!
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
10776 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 8:32 am to
Worked with a vet right out of college, early 00s. I asked him about it and all he did was shake his head, and said no. I never asked anyone associated with Vietnam about their service again.
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 8:33 am
Posted by GeauxBurrow312
Member since Nov 2024
4806 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 8:32 am to
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"domino theory" of communist expansion


I think people forget that China had fallen just 20 years prior, which lead directly to Korea getting split into 2 (and the Korean War) a decade prior. Philippines and Indonesia were fighting commie insurgencies.

The domino theory had some valid legs at the time, though the Gulf of Tonkin incident was bullshite

Its shameful how people treated vets from that era. Jane Fonda should have been locked up.
Posted by BluegrassCardinal
Kentucky
Member since Nov 2022
1719 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 8:36 am to
No truer words. My dad despised Jane Fonda until the day he died.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26063 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 8:37 am to
quote:

Our Vietnam Veterans stopped Chinese Communist agression for 50 years providing peace and stability in the regions.


I would say Chinese communist aggression started as a result of what our politicians, corporate greed and globalism created.

We created the monster. Now we are having to deal with it.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
13146 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 8:45 am to
We didn’t create shite what an idiotic statement to make. Where did the Trotsky Bolsheviks come from Alaska?

We didn’t support the legitimate government in the civil war raging during and after WW2 and CCCP did.

Granted the Danish, English, and other European countries hade a stake there.

The Communist got their nose bloodied in Vietnam and Korea first and second war.

They pulled back from Africa and South American expansion.
Posted by bleedpg
Hot Springs Village, Arkansas
Member since Dec 2006
1234 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:05 am to
BluegrassCardinal

Really good story Bluegrass. It was a terrible war and time for people his age.
Posted by Gee Grenouille
Bogalusa
Member since Jul 2018
7511 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:19 am to
quote:

That story was pretty common for a significant amount of veterans. PTSD, alcohol dependency and drug abuse. The war affected veteran's families by proxy. And still does, as our Vietnam war vets are aging and still dealing with the turmoil.


Sam Stone
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
47846 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:45 am to
I was born in the generation who bore the brunt of that horrible war, initiated by the most evil POTUS we've ever suffered thru and made worse by feckless leadership afterwards.

I was draft age - but escaped being called up by college, marriage, kids, and occupation.

Before I realized all the evil behind the initiation and conduct of this war, I always regretting not 'serving my country.' Many of my classmates did serve, but no casualties that I ever knew of from them.

I am still pissed at the loss of life, national treasure, and the upset of our national character caused by that purposeful, wholly preventable, disaster.

May LBJ rot in lower level of hell.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
45936 posts
Posted on 4/30/25 at 9:48 am to
After we pulled out our ground forces, we promised to give air and navel support to South Viet Nam, but a Democratic Congress (including Joe Biden) refused to fund it.
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