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Back in March Rabi Schmuley met with Vatican officials to persuade the Catholic Church.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 8:24 am
Posted on 4/29/25 at 8:24 am
Rabi Schmuley' goal was the following:
Catholic Church Should Recognize Israel as the Biblical Inheritance of the Jews
I've done some search cannot find any information as a result of Rabi Shmuley's meeting with Vatican officials. I don't believe anything came of it.
But it got me curious. What is the Catholic Church's stance on this issue? So I asked Grok:
That makes sense and is a different Christian approach than a lot of Evangelical Christians especially Evangelical Christian that follow the Scofield bible. I queried Grok further:
Upon the writing of the Scofield Bible, there are Evangelical Christians that formally recognize Israel as the biblical birthright of the Jewish people, correct?
Anyway I just though this difference between Catholic Church and many Evangelical Christians born out of the 20th century is pretty interesting.
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to persuade the Church to formally recognize Israel as the biblical birthright of the Jewish people
Catholic Church Should Recognize Israel as the Biblical Inheritance of the Jews
I've done some search cannot find any information as a result of Rabi Shmuley's meeting with Vatican officials. I don't believe anything came of it.
But it got me curious. What is the Catholic Church's stance on this issue? So I asked Grok:
quote:
Vatican’s historical caution regarding political interpretations of biblical promises, as noted in sources like Nostra Aetate (1965) and subsequent documents, suggests a reluctance to make such a theological or political declaration. The Church has consistently emphasized spiritual over territorial claims and maintains diplomatic relations with Israel (established in 1994) without affirming its status as an eternal inheritance in the way Rabbi Boteach proposed.
That makes sense and is a different Christian approach than a lot of Evangelical Christians especially Evangelical Christian that follow the Scofield bible. I queried Grok further:
Upon the writing of the Scofield Bible, there are Evangelical Christians that formally recognize Israel as the biblical birthright of the Jewish people, correct?
quote:
Yes, many Evangelical Christians, influenced by the Scofield Reference Bible (first published in 1909), formally recognize Israel as the biblical birthright of the Jewish people. The Scofield Bible, authored by Cyrus I. Scofield, popularized dispensationalist theology, which emphasizes a literal interpretation of biblical prophecies, including God’s covenant with Abraham (Genesis 12:7, 15:18) granting the land of Canaan to the Jewish people as an everlasting inheritance. This theology holds that the modern state of Israel (established in 1948) fulfills these prophecies, making it the rightful homeland of the Jewish people.
Anyway I just though this difference between Catholic Church and many Evangelical Christians born out of the 20th century is pretty interesting.
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 8:26 am to GumboPot
Interestingly there is slowly but surely a change in evangelical perspectives on this nation. Also Interesting is the chosen symbol, the star of david, that doesn't have a grounding in the old testament.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 8:38 am to GumboPot
Scofield was a crook, and the tiny hat guys mass published his book.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 8:46 am to GumboPot
This is a very interesting thread. I did not know anything about Rabbi Scmuley's activities, but, I certainly do understand his motives.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 8:47 am to GumboPot
The Jews lost their birthright to the Gentiles when they rejected and crucified Jesus Christ. How Essau sold his birthright to Jacob is a foretelling of the Jews losing their birthright as the chosen people.
Now there will always be enmity between the Jews and Christianity until the Jews conversion.
Now there will always be enmity between the Jews and Christianity until the Jews conversion.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 9:30 am
Posted on 4/29/25 at 8:55 am to Redbonebandit
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Also Interesting is the chosen symbol, the star of david, that doesn't have a grounding in the old testament.
The Star of David rabbit hole is deeep.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 9:28 am to Jack Ruby
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The Star of David rabbit hole is deeep.
I just asked Grok. It said the star of David has no link to King David. Apparently it started in a Jewish community in Prague in the 14th century.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 9:45 am to GumboPot
Schmuley is an evil, disgusting, downright dysgenic MFer. The Vatican should never have allowed an audience.
But no, as I understand it, the Church's official position is that Israel isn't a place, and that its proper use is to refer to a chosen group of people - that is the Church itself. St Pius X famously refused to bless the concept of Zionism when Theodor Herzl asked him to do so back in the early 1900s.
But no, as I understand it, the Church's official position is that Israel isn't a place, and that its proper use is to refer to a chosen group of people - that is the Church itself. St Pius X famously refused to bless the concept of Zionism when Theodor Herzl asked him to do so back in the early 1900s.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 10:15 am
Posted on 4/29/25 at 9:49 am to RoyalAir
Posted on 4/29/25 at 9:55 am to GumboPot
quote:
to formally recognize Israel as the biblical birthright of the Jewish people
Im not Catholic but my bible says that God gave that land to the jews.
Genesis 15:18.
Why wouldnt the Pope agree to what God put in the bible?
What am I missing here?
Posted on 4/29/25 at 9:58 am to alphaandomega
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What am I missing here?
Timeline.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:02 am to alphaandomega
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that land to the jews.
What land? The exact borders of current day Israel?
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:14 am to alphaandomega
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What am I missing here?
I'm not trying to argue with you, as I once-upon-a-time would have agreed with you.
Instead, I'll ask two questions:.
Q1: if this interpretation of Genesis is correct, what was the Church's position pre-Zionism? What did the church espouse during the Crusades, and how was Jerusalem and the outlying lands seen?
Q2: how do you read the story of Jacob and Esau? Does that story contain a Biblical typology about the nature of birthright and inheritance?
No flame. I'm genuinely asking.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:26 am to alphaandomega
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Why wouldnt the Pope agree to what God put in the bible?
Pope Pius XII's doctrine of allowing the Jews to be exterminated by the Nazi's during WWII still lives on in ideology among a large number of those in leadership at the Vatican. Has anyone heard a single word come out of the Vatican's mouth with respect to the anti-Jewish mobs terrorizing people across Europe, Canada, or in the US? fricking crickets!
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:33 am to MrLSU
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Has anyone heard a single word come out of the Vatican's mouth with respect to the anti-Jewish mobs terrorizing people across Europe, Canada, or in the US?
Yeah. Just a simple google.
Nostra Aetate
Nostra Aetate, condemns antisemitic violence as a sin, promotes Holocaust remembrance, and fosters Catholic-Jewish dialogue.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 10:34 am
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:59 am to GumboPot
quote:the buttplug-selling rabbi who seems to know every world leader?
Rabi Schmuley
Obviously, we should do whatever he says.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 11:03 am to blueboy
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the buttplug-selling rabbi who seems to know every world leader?
It's amazing how much access this guy has.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 11:21 am to GumboPot
Whatever is to come for the future of the Jews and their conversion to Christ, right now they are His enemies. We should pray for their conversion like we should for that of all nations and peoples, but they are not friends of Christ at this time.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:10 pm to FooManChoo
quote:My brother in Christ, no person is Jesus' enemy. Is that not clear in your KJV?
Whatever is to come for the future of the Jews and their conversion to Christ, right now they are His enemies. We should pray for their conversion like we should for that of all nations and peoples, but they are not friends of Christ at this time.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:45 pm to StrongOffer
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My brother in Christ, no person is Jesus' enemy. Is that not clear in your KJV?
Oh boy.
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