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We funded Ho Chi Minh before Vietnam, we funded bin Laden before 9/11
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:02 am
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:02 am
And now we’ve funded the cartel. Will we ever stop funding the people we will fight in the next 20 years?
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Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:04 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
It’s almost like it’s intentional hmmmm
Fast and Furious much?
Fast and Furious much?
This post was edited on 3/12/25 at 8:07 am
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:06 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
If we stop funding anyone, no worries.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:06 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
I'm not saying I agree with it, but the funding of HCM and Bin Laden at least had some strategic purpose at the time.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:07 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Am I remembering this wrong, or did we not put Sadaam Hussein in power?
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:07 am to Sam Quint
quote:we funded the cartels for the same reason we funded bin Laden. “Muh communism!”
I'm not saying I agree with it, but the funding of HCM and Bin Laden at least had some strategic purpose at the time
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:09 am to Mushroom1968
quote:idk but probably. I know we toppled the Iranian regime which then led to the extremely unpopular shah, which led to his overthrow and the implementation of extreme Shia theocracy.
Am I remembering this wrong, or did we not put Sadaam Hussein in power?
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:10 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
We funded Minh when they were fighting the Japanese. They wanted independence, then the French foolishly decided they wanted their colony back. Chinese jumped in and helped Minh, he ce why the commie angle.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:12 am to prplhze2000
I know we had some OSS guys helping Ho, but how much other help was he getting?
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:13 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
America has been the baddies
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:14 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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we funded the cartels for the same reason we funded bin Laden. “Muh communism!”
Which was a legitimate existential threat at the time. Just because in 2025 you mockingly say "muh communism" doesn't mean that the Soviet Union wasn't a very real problem for decades.
Yes, decisions have consequences, and the risk of second and third order effects maybe wasn't taken seriously enough. But these 20/20 hindsight hot takes never consider the context of the time period the decisions were made.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:14 am to Mushroom1968
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Am I remembering this wrong, or did we not put Sadaam Hussein in power?
Bush 1 supported him as VP then pres until he didnt.....so yes he prompted him indirectly
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Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:15 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Couple things to realize.
1. MIC. Einsenhower warned about it like 75 yrs ago. They rule our country.
2. Blowback. It’s what happens when the CIA gets involved.
3. We put Zelenskyy in place as well.
4. Read confessions of an economic hitman. It explains the above.
1. MIC. Einsenhower warned about it like 75 yrs ago. They rule our country.
2. Blowback. It’s what happens when the CIA gets involved.
3. We put Zelenskyy in place as well.
4. Read confessions of an economic hitman. It explains the above.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:15 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Now do Pinochet and Shah of Iran and Saddam Hussein and Manuel Noriega
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:16 am to BamaCoaster
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Read confessions of an economic hitman. It explains the above.
Great book. Very eye opening.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:23 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
George Washington warned us to just stay out of all this shite.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:24 am to BhamTigah
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George Washington warned us to just stay out of all this shite.
He existed before ICBMs
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:27 am to OccamsStubble
quote:true. Plenty of examples.
Now do Pinochet and Shah of Iran and Saddam Hussein and Manuel Noriega
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:29 am to Sam Quint
quote:I’m not saying the Soviets weren’t a problem, but by the time their time in Afghanistan came up it was already the 80s, communism was failing, and we just wanted to rough them up as payback for Vietnam. It was petty and held no real strategic value to arm the mujahadeen
Which was a legitimate existential threat at the time. Just because in 2025 you mockingly say "muh communism" doesn't mean that the Soviet Union wasn't a very real problem for decades.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 8:32 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Actually , Ho Chi Minh helped a downed American pilot shot down behind Japanese lines in French Indochina . 200 miles to safety later , Ho Chi Minh was asked what we could do to thank him . He responded with an autographed picture of General Claire Chennault who led the flying tigers , a pistol , and his nations freedom when WW2 was over . He was able to take these items back to his people and say “I am friends with the Americans and they promise our freedom “. When it was over Ho Chi Minh read the u s Declaration of Independence to his people . Then … France decided it wanted its colonies back , and the US had a choice to make. Live up to our word to this tiny man or give the country back to a big ally . We chose the ally and created an enemy in Ho Chi Minh .
I saw an American officer talking about the smugness of the French when they got off the plane in Vietnam as they were given back control of the country . He said” inside I wanted to kick their arse all the way back to Paris “
I saw an American officer talking about the smugness of the French when they got off the plane in Vietnam as they were given back control of the country . He said” inside I wanted to kick their arse all the way back to Paris “
This post was edited on 3/12/25 at 8:34 am
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