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Is Marvel done?
Posted on 2/14/25 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 2/14/25 at 8:10 pm
Upvote for yes
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Posted on 2/14/25 at 8:14 pm to Frac the world
No let’s wait for Fantastic Four and the Avengers movies. If Secret Wars does a hard reset it could allow Marvel to take a needed break and rethinking how they plan these sagas out
Posted on 2/14/25 at 8:15 pm to Frac the world
They won’t ever be done but interest has definitely dipped way down with this new phase. I haven’t watched a marvel movie since Ant Man 3 and I used to see all of them in theatre as soon as they released
Posted on 2/14/25 at 8:18 pm to cfish140
Gawd I hope so
Posted on 2/14/25 at 8:28 pm to Frac the world
They're not done until they screw up X-Men
Posted on 2/14/25 at 8:42 pm to Frac the world
Didn't we just get Deadpool/Wolverine? That was real good.
Posted on 2/14/25 at 9:03 pm to Frac the world
quote:Yes.
Is Marvel done?
They no longer publish comics, they’ve pulled all merchandising off of the shelves, all films and series have been deleted from Disney+.
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:10 pm to Frac the world
Deadpool Wolverine just made $1.3 BILLION lol
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:36 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Deadpool Wolverine just made $1.3 BILLION lol
it was the swansong for Ryan and Hugh, so basically we've got the inverse of Captain Marvel. Fans HAD to see it.
It was fun but honestly, not a good movie.
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:42 pm to Frac the world
From its peak? Yeah. I don't see them hitting that again. You had some characters that were big for decades before they hit the screen and they handled it insanely well.
Right now, they "have" Spiderman.
They need to build but everything has felt sorta half-baked and rushed since Endgame. You can argue "the stakes aren't the same!" or whatever but it took a while to build those stakes. The multiverse stuff isn't really hitting and Mackie just isn't working. BC is a great Strange but honestly they need an iron man or captain America.
Right now, they "have" Spiderman.
They need to build but everything has felt sorta half-baked and rushed since Endgame. You can argue "the stakes aren't the same!" or whatever but it took a while to build those stakes. The multiverse stuff isn't really hitting and Mackie just isn't working. BC is a great Strange but honestly they need an iron man or captain America.
Posted on 2/14/25 at 10:55 pm to Frac the world
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:32 pm to cfish140
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They won’t ever be done but interest has definitely dipped way down with this new phase
Avengers Endgame came out in 2019, and somehow, I feel like the next phase hasn't even started yet.
Like, nothing of note has happened, and it's a disorganized mess.
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:33 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
A mixed bag of reviews doesn’t reveal the real problems with Marvel.
The problem is that it seems like Marvel or Disney had no real plan on how to handle the next phases of the MCU other than let’s find a way to bring in the X-Men and F4. The multiverse concept isn’t a bad one on the surface but Marvel seemed to be more concerned with crazy cameos than actual quality writing.
There’s also no central core that the GA can stick to like there was in the IW saga. The IW saga had Iron Man, Cap, Thor, and Hulk, with Hawkeye and BW popping up for support. The Guardians were also a nice space version of the Avengers. Despite the number of films the audience always knew who everyone was and where they were.
With these new phases everything just feels disjointed with no real endgame or purpose. Just a random assortment of heroes doing their own thing. Nobody is connected to anyone
Spidey is doing his own thing and has literally been forgotten about
Strange is supposed to be the new Iron Man but that doesn’t work when there’s still no team.
Carol is doing space stuff while getting help sort of from Monica and Kamala.
The Guardians are broken up
Thor is somewhere and Hulk is doing something I don’t know
Bucky should have been in the new Cap movie with Sam.
The rest are random tv characters most don’t know much about or don’t care enough to knows
The MCU should have at least started with a new Earth core something along the lines of Peter, Strange, Sam, Wanda, Bucky, and Hulk.
Maybe slowly introduce other Earth heroes like Kate, Yelena, DD, Kamala, and The Punisher. Have these smaller ones pop up in the movies of the bigger names so the GA gets used to them.
In space you can Thor and the Guardians with Carol. Speaking of space, Secret Invasion should have been a mini phase in of itself you could have easily done the second CM movie to help establish it. Instead SI basically led nowhere
I wouldn’t mind for a reworked version of Multiverse of Madness helped kick off all the problems with the clashing of the universes somehow this should bring in the F4 and Doom but it should been much earlier.
The problem is that it seems like Marvel or Disney had no real plan on how to handle the next phases of the MCU other than let’s find a way to bring in the X-Men and F4. The multiverse concept isn’t a bad one on the surface but Marvel seemed to be more concerned with crazy cameos than actual quality writing.
There’s also no central core that the GA can stick to like there was in the IW saga. The IW saga had Iron Man, Cap, Thor, and Hulk, with Hawkeye and BW popping up for support. The Guardians were also a nice space version of the Avengers. Despite the number of films the audience always knew who everyone was and where they were.
With these new phases everything just feels disjointed with no real endgame or purpose. Just a random assortment of heroes doing their own thing. Nobody is connected to anyone
Spidey is doing his own thing and has literally been forgotten about
Strange is supposed to be the new Iron Man but that doesn’t work when there’s still no team.
Carol is doing space stuff while getting help sort of from Monica and Kamala.
The Guardians are broken up
Thor is somewhere and Hulk is doing something I don’t know
Bucky should have been in the new Cap movie with Sam.
The rest are random tv characters most don’t know much about or don’t care enough to knows
The MCU should have at least started with a new Earth core something along the lines of Peter, Strange, Sam, Wanda, Bucky, and Hulk.
Maybe slowly introduce other Earth heroes like Kate, Yelena, DD, Kamala, and The Punisher. Have these smaller ones pop up in the movies of the bigger names so the GA gets used to them.
In space you can Thor and the Guardians with Carol. Speaking of space, Secret Invasion should have been a mini phase in of itself you could have easily done the second CM movie to help establish it. Instead SI basically led nowhere
I wouldn’t mind for a reworked version of Multiverse of Madness helped kick off all the problems with the clashing of the universes somehow this should bring in the F4 and Doom but it should been much earlier.
This post was edited on 2/14/25 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:36 pm to LordSaintly
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it's a disorganized mess.
This, there’s no flow just random events happening.
I like some of the new characters like Kate, Yelena, Kamala, the new Guardians. But it doesn’t really work for any of them if we don’t see or hear from them for years.
This post was edited on 2/14/25 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 2/15/25 at 7:20 am to LordSaintly
To be fair, the next thing they were building up to was Kang Dynasty which was derailed when the actor who played Kang got cancelled. They had to completely shift gears to get a significant story the lead into Secret Wars.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 7:22 am to dawgfan24348
Chris Pratt will be a featured part of the new Avengers. At the end of GofG 3 he stayed on watch and the post credits scene eluded to his return, no GofG.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:07 am to FirstCityDawg
Kang wasn’t working anyway though. He wasn’t introduced in a good way. He’d already been defeated by ants anyway.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:12 am to biglego
Wasn’t that a reshoot/rewrite in Ant Man 3? Hadnt he had already been let go?
There was a ton of potential and story to be laid out before Avengers Kang Dynasty would’ve come out in late 2025.
There was a ton of potential and story to be laid out before Avengers Kang Dynasty would’ve come out in late 2025.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:47 am to dawgfan24348
Fantastic Four has some incredible villains and storylines. The could run with it for years but they'll frick it up again.
Galactus, Anninihlus, Frightful 4, inhumans, negative zone, surfer, Salem 7, Dr Doom, namor, impossible Man...
Solid stories that could carry the franchise for several years but they'll screw it up.
Galactus, Anninihlus, Frightful 4, inhumans, negative zone, surfer, Salem 7, Dr Doom, namor, impossible Man...
Solid stories that could carry the franchise for several years but they'll screw it up.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:52 am to Frac the world
Multiple reasons.
1. Marvel fatigue. They're not going to do better than the initial buildup to End Game. After seeing that there's nothing new and the new characters that are lesser known are not filling the gap.
2. Millennials are aging out of marvel. Even though Millennials are clearly lingering in the interests of their youth longer...they're finally starting to age out of it and Gen Z is significantly smaller than the millennial generation and not large enough to replace them.
3. Gen Z was raised on social media and YouTube and traditional moving making and theater experiences are wholly unequipped to compete with those mediums. They simply cannot make a movie that can compete with the YouTube style attractiveness. So not only is Gen Z not a 1 for 1 replacement for millennial audiences, even if they were a huge chunk just don't have the attention span for traditional movies/theater.
4. People are just moving away from theaters more due to cost and experience. Home theaters are more comfortable, cheaper, and you can pause the movie when they want.
5. Politics, the politics of every single person within the marvel corporation will not allow them to come up with ideas that might be appealing but rub against their progressive dogmas. People don't want a female protagonist superhero, not even females watch it. Marvels inability to shake loose of political zealots restricts their freedom to explore new ideas that aren't fully rooted in gender race and sex obsessed politics. I'm not advocating for explicit right wing politics, but more or less saying that not being anchored to politics should help creative processes. Instead it's just progressive zealotry at all levels obsessed with symbolic progressive subversion on even the smallest levels within movies. Tons of time and effort gets devoted towards obsessing over the tiny details that may or may not signal to certain progressive movements.
Take for instance the "trans youth" sign in the Spiderman movie background, or the gay kiss in buzz lightyear. Having a significant component of your movie making production devoted towards irrelevant stuff like that isn't helping the final product, especially when these details add nothing to the overall plot/theme.
Another example is the lesbian angle in Stranger things with Maya Hawkes character. Just totally tossed in there to please insane activist groups like GLAAD. Added notihng to the story and was simply a side show bought and paid for by activist nutjobs who get off on that.
1. Marvel fatigue. They're not going to do better than the initial buildup to End Game. After seeing that there's nothing new and the new characters that are lesser known are not filling the gap.
2. Millennials are aging out of marvel. Even though Millennials are clearly lingering in the interests of their youth longer...they're finally starting to age out of it and Gen Z is significantly smaller than the millennial generation and not large enough to replace them.
3. Gen Z was raised on social media and YouTube and traditional moving making and theater experiences are wholly unequipped to compete with those mediums. They simply cannot make a movie that can compete with the YouTube style attractiveness. So not only is Gen Z not a 1 for 1 replacement for millennial audiences, even if they were a huge chunk just don't have the attention span for traditional movies/theater.
4. People are just moving away from theaters more due to cost and experience. Home theaters are more comfortable, cheaper, and you can pause the movie when they want.
5. Politics, the politics of every single person within the marvel corporation will not allow them to come up with ideas that might be appealing but rub against their progressive dogmas. People don't want a female protagonist superhero, not even females watch it. Marvels inability to shake loose of political zealots restricts their freedom to explore new ideas that aren't fully rooted in gender race and sex obsessed politics. I'm not advocating for explicit right wing politics, but more or less saying that not being anchored to politics should help creative processes. Instead it's just progressive zealotry at all levels obsessed with symbolic progressive subversion on even the smallest levels within movies. Tons of time and effort gets devoted towards obsessing over the tiny details that may or may not signal to certain progressive movements.
Take for instance the "trans youth" sign in the Spiderman movie background, or the gay kiss in buzz lightyear. Having a significant component of your movie making production devoted towards irrelevant stuff like that isn't helping the final product, especially when these details add nothing to the overall plot/theme.
Another example is the lesbian angle in Stranger things with Maya Hawkes character. Just totally tossed in there to please insane activist groups like GLAAD. Added notihng to the story and was simply a side show bought and paid for by activist nutjobs who get off on that.
This post was edited on 2/15/25 at 9:01 am
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