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What is our cap situation for next year now that we unloaded BI?
Posted on 2/9/25 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 2/9/25 at 2:15 pm
Let’s say most of the UFA on the team sign elsewhere too. How much do we have to spend? We still need a starting 5 or at least one close to it. Missi is growing but we need better than Theis next year if we plan to be right back in the playoffs with one of the top couple picks in the draft.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 3:19 pm to LSUPilot07
We have about 20m+ under the tax because of Olynyk, which puts us on slightly worse footing than having BI.
BI would have likely put us back in the tax via sign and trade, though, unless we got a huge goddamn TPE. Which is unlikely given how few teams have cap space, thus requiring a sign and trade.
We are still probably going to have to make tough decisions about some pieces like Hawkins soon simply because of how much they are making vs our on court productivity.
This also assumes we don’t do a total overhaul by moving Zion, which turns over about $50m in salaries and some of those could be subsequently dealt.
BI would have likely put us back in the tax via sign and trade, though, unless we got a huge goddamn TPE. Which is unlikely given how few teams have cap space, thus requiring a sign and trade.
We are still probably going to have to make tough decisions about some pieces like Hawkins soon simply because of how much they are making vs our on court productivity.
This also assumes we don’t do a total overhaul by moving Zion, which turns over about $50m in salaries and some of those could be subsequently dealt.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 5:28 pm to teke184
Hawk needs to play a lot more the rest of the way along with Boston so we can see what they have and if they will be quality bench pieces or not. Hawk will never play defense well enough and doesn’t have a good enough handle to be a staring guard but he could be like the instant offense guy off the bench like Tim Hardaway Jr was for Dallas or Jordan Clarkson. That’s kind of the ceiling I see for Hawk which would be great if he turned into that type of player. I really think this team is one really good player from being able to contend but we need a new coach to get us up that hill.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 6:05 pm to teke184
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We have about 20m+ under the tax because of Olynyk, which puts us on slightly worse footing than having BI.
I am seeing that we have 10 guys signed for next year at about 168M. If we get a top 3-5 pick, that's another 12-14M. That's not including the other 3-4 guys to finish off the roster. I don't see how we aren't a tax team, unless we make some moves..
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We are still probably going to have to make tough decisions about some pieces like Hawkins soon simply because of how much they are making vs our on court
It's time to cut bait on Hawkins. The back injury is terrifying. He's never going to be totally right. He's also not cheap. If he can't start or become an effective 6th man, he needs to go. He's had every opportunity this year..
Posted on 2/9/25 at 6:19 pm to brmark70816
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We are still probably going to have to make tough decisions about some pieces like Hawkins soon simply because of how much they are making vs our on court
It's time to cut bait on Hawkins. The back injury is terrifying.
I don't disagree on moving on from Hawk as a whole but this shite is absolutely hilarious.
Jose is 26 and Hawk is 22. One of those guys hasn't peaked yet and can also still be developed.
But yeah let's trade away Hawk to "make tough decisions"
I can't wait for the melt on here when Jose is gone
This post was edited on 2/9/25 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 2/9/25 at 6:59 pm to brmark70816
Hawk is in his second season and he didn’t get much run in his first… He needs to be given the green light and just go though, but we have a HC that pulls him everytime he misses a couple shots.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 7:28 pm to Soggymoss
Not worried about cap space. We have an expiring CJ and Olynyk to use for trades.
We aren't a destination so getting cap space for the sake of cap space isn't going to do anything for the team. We have enough capspace to absorb some contracts in potential trades as well. They have enough flexibility going into the summer.
We aren't a destination so getting cap space for the sake of cap space isn't going to do anything for the team. We have enough capspace to absorb some contracts in potential trades as well. They have enough flexibility going into the summer.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 7:29 pm to LSUPilot07
With 13 players on the roster next season, including the 2025 pick (lets say pick 2) and signing Boston the pels cap will be $182,821,574.
They still need to add one more player to make 14.
I think they will definatley move McCollum and Olynyk to get under.
Player 2025/26 2026/27 2027/28 2028/29
Zion Williamson $39,446,090 $42,166,510 $44,886,930
Dejounte Murray $31,557,135 $33,597,072 $31,330,172
CJ McCollum $30,666,666
Trey Murphy $25,000,000 $27,000,000 $29,000,000 $31,000,000
Herb Jones $13,937,574 $14,898,786
Kelly Olynyk $13,445,122
2025 PICK #2 $10,308,600 $10,824,200 $11,339,800
Jordan Hawkins $4,741,216 $7,021,740 $10,469,414
Jose Alvarado $4,500,000 $4,500,000
Yves Missi $3,353,040 $3,512,760 $5,595,827 $8,623,169
Karlo Matkovic $1,955,377 $2,296,271
Antonio Reeves $1,955,377 $2,296,271
BJ Boston $1,955,377 $2,296,271
Totals $182,821,574 $150,409,881 $132,622,143 $39,623,169
$187.9 million luxury tax threshold
They still need to add one more player to make 14.
I think they will definatley move McCollum and Olynyk to get under.
Player 2025/26 2026/27 2027/28 2028/29
Zion Williamson $39,446,090 $42,166,510 $44,886,930
Dejounte Murray $31,557,135 $33,597,072 $31,330,172
CJ McCollum $30,666,666
Trey Murphy $25,000,000 $27,000,000 $29,000,000 $31,000,000
Herb Jones $13,937,574 $14,898,786
Kelly Olynyk $13,445,122
2025 PICK #2 $10,308,600 $10,824,200 $11,339,800
Jordan Hawkins $4,741,216 $7,021,740 $10,469,414
Jose Alvarado $4,500,000 $4,500,000
Yves Missi $3,353,040 $3,512,760 $5,595,827 $8,623,169
Karlo Matkovic $1,955,377 $2,296,271
Antonio Reeves $1,955,377 $2,296,271
BJ Boston $1,955,377 $2,296,271
Totals $182,821,574 $150,409,881 $132,622,143 $39,623,169
$187.9 million luxury tax threshold
This post was edited on 2/9/25 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 2/9/25 at 7:58 pm to Dantheman504
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Jose is 26 and Hawk is 22. One of those guys hasn't peaked yet and can also still be developed.
Hawkins has chronic back issues. They do not know if it will ever be good. He has struggled a bit this year. He's guaranteed for us next year. But I wouldn't pick up his option for the next season, at over 7M/year. Would you?
Posted on 2/9/25 at 8:35 pm to brmark70816
Nope I want to trade Hawk, Jose, and CJ so we can build our future team.
I am also impartial on Zion. I am mainly impartial on Zion because of CJ, Hawk, and Jose. If we had "the future core" to pair with him and we had a vision of what that looks like then cool.
Instead we currently have (3) players that are meaningless to the overall future of the Pelicans and a hurt Murray.
In regards to Hawk, it would be 50/50. He could be shite next year or he could get better and his value could increase.
I don't think we would have too big of an issue getting off his 7M contract at 23 y/o. Some trash team will think he's worth the chance. His 30 pt game spurts will get teams thinking.
I am also impartial on Zion. I am mainly impartial on Zion because of CJ, Hawk, and Jose. If we had "the future core" to pair with him and we had a vision of what that looks like then cool.
Instead we currently have (3) players that are meaningless to the overall future of the Pelicans and a hurt Murray.
In regards to Hawk, it would be 50/50. He could be shite next year or he could get better and his value could increase.
I don't think we would have too big of an issue getting off his 7M contract at 23 y/o. Some trash team will think he's worth the chance. His 30 pt game spurts will get teams thinking.
This post was edited on 2/9/25 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 2/9/25 at 8:37 pm to Dantheman504
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Jose
Our starting point guard is injured and won't be available for much of next season, so you want to trade away his backup. Brilliant.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 10:38 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Our starting point guard is injured and won't be available for much of next season, so you want to trade away his backup
Yes I would like to trade a backup PG for an attempt to find a future starting PG, especially if Murray doesn't return to his old self.
Why do you want to keep a backup? Cause you like him?
What's the worst that happens we replace a backup with a backup? See how much it doesn't fricking matter?
And what if they are bad? We replace them until we find another backup? Guess what.... Nothing changes.
I'd rather search for a future starter option > fanboy about a forever backup
This post was edited on 2/9/25 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 2/9/25 at 10:56 pm to Dantheman504
quote:1 is a rotation player and the other isn't.
I don't disagree on moving on from Hawk as a whole but this shite is absolutely hilarious.
Jose is 26 and Hawk is 22. One of those guys hasn't peaked yet and can also still be developed
It's extremely unlikely that Hawk will provide more consistent value than Jose over the next 2 seasons of Hawks contract.
It's a no brainer on who to keep if it came down to a decision on the 2.
Posted on 2/10/25 at 8:46 am to shel311
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It's extremely unlikely that Hawk will provide more consistent value than Jose over the next 2 seasons of Hawks contract.
I don't disagree with that. But Hawk could literally put together 4/5 good games consecutively and teams will want him > Jose
Jose(4) year avg: 22.5min/8pts/2reb/3ast/ 26y/o
Hawk(2) year avg: 19.3min/9pts/2reb/1ast/22y/o
This isn't a stab at Jose but his stat line through 4 years is absolutely mediocre at best and he's 26 y/o. We really shouldn't even have arguments about his "value" especially compared to rookie contracts.
Hate it or love it his stat line screams "replaceable" and his stats are also completely comparable with mediocre players. That's not something that can be argued.
If Jose's value is (2) 2nds then we should get (2) 2nds. If Hawk's value is (1) 2nd then he could be 5 games away from (2) 2nds. So yes you keep Hawk for the time being.
Especially if you trade CJ.
This post was edited on 2/10/25 at 8:49 am
Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:54 am to Dantheman504
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This isn't a stab at Jose but his stat line through 4 years is absolutely mediocre at best and he's 26 y/o.
I'll say it again; if you think Jose's value to this team can be ascertained strictly by looking at his stat line you are absolutely clueless and don't understand basketball at all. Seriously, did Jose stiff you once when you were begging for an autograph? Your irrational dislike of him is bizarre.
Posted on 2/10/25 at 10:02 am to LSUgrad88
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Your irrational dislike of him is bizarre.
Its actually completely opposite. I don't even dislike Jose and I've said that over and over.
Why is it that a fair view of a player without bias is seen as "irrational dislike"?
I love Jose and I love his hustle. He is not special and he is a slightly above average role player.
We are talking about a guy who works harder than everyone else to produce a very average 8/2/3 stat line.
Y'all want to talk about how much you dislike BI/ Zion for their lack of availability even though they are above average players but literally worship Jose for being available and average. Its weird.
Posted on 2/10/25 at 10:04 am to LSUgrad88
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if you think Jose's value to this team can be ascertained strictly by looking at his stat line you are absolutely clueless
If you actually think Jose means anything to the future success of this franchise as a whole then you are absolutely clueless. And again this is me saying that while I really like Jose as a player, person, and hard worker.
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if you think Jose's value to this team can be ascertained strictly by looking at his stat line you are absolutely clueless
And y'all say this like the dude has led us to the playoffs or playoff series wins. But yeah I'm clueless...
Y'all legit aren't capable of taking criticism without it turning into a love/hate argument. Whether I like or dislike Jose has nothing to do with this.
"I love Jose but he's average" somehow = "OMG you hate Jose, what did he do to you"
So dumb
This post was edited on 2/10/25 at 10:16 am
Posted on 2/10/25 at 10:15 am to Dantheman504
that
He's a backup, rotation player who brings energy and pace to the team when he comes in. Show me the stats that measure energy and getting the crowd in to the game, both things which Jose unquestionably gives this team in many games. And who, anywhere, has said Jose is "leading" this team to the playoff?. Backup, rotation players do not "lead" teams to the playoffs. But backup, rotation players (especially those on cheap contracts) can be key, valuable pieces to a quality team. This really shouldn't be hard to understand.
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And y'all say this like the dude has led us to the playoffs or playoff series wins. But yeah I'm clueless...
He's a backup, rotation player who brings energy and pace to the team when he comes in. Show me the stats that measure energy and getting the crowd in to the game, both things which Jose unquestionably gives this team in many games. And who, anywhere, has said Jose is "leading" this team to the playoff?. Backup, rotation players do not "lead" teams to the playoffs. But backup, rotation players (especially those on cheap contracts) can be key, valuable pieces to a quality team. This really shouldn't be hard to understand.
Posted on 2/10/25 at 10:21 am to LSUgrad88
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Show me the stats that measure energy and getting the crowd in to the game, both things which Jose unquestionably gives this team in many games.
Holy shite. The fact that this would be a difference maker to you in regards to a player that isn't a difference maker shows how dense some of y'all are....
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Backup, rotation players do not "lead" teams to the playoffs. But backup, rotation players (especially those on cheap contracts) can be key, valuable pieces to a quality team. This really shouldn't be hard to understand.
Is it hard to understand that we are not a quality team and Jose isn't the key to a fricking thing on this roster?
The worst thing I said about Jose in this entire thread is that he's average and you are defending him with your life. Again its weird.
This post was edited on 2/10/25 at 10:29 am
Posted on 2/10/25 at 10:38 am to Dantheman504
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and you are defending him with your life.
Stop being a fricking drama queen. Jose is a valuable piece to this team, period. He has consistently won his minutes on this team for years, consistently provided a spark, and is on a very cheap contract. Why would you want to move on from him, unless he is packaged as part of a bigger deal? Everyone seems to understand this but you, but we're all idiots.
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