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Article on Mike Huckabee’s spiritual journey re: Israel

Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:23 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:23 pm
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Mike Huckabee’s journey to becoming the U.S. ambassador to Israel began 50 years ago.
The former Arkansas governor, presidential candidate and Fox News host first visited Israel with a friend on a tour of the Middle East not long after graduating from high school. “This is a place I’d never been, but I felt at home,” Huckabee said in a podcast interview at the National Religious Broadcasters convention earlier this year, about his experience as a teen.
“I felt an overwhelming spiritual reality of understanding this is the land that God has given to the Jews,”
he told Paul Lanier, board chair of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, for the “Nourish Your Biblical Roots” podcast.

Huckabee said he began hosting his own tours of Israel in the 1980s and has visited the country more than 100 times. He’s a longtime supporter of pro-Israel groups like IFCJ — a nonprofit that seeks to strengthen ties between Christians and Jews and does humanitarian work in Israel — and has helped raise money for the group.


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In his conversation with Lanier, Huckabee compared the origin of Israel to the founding of the United States, saying both were started by people who moved to a new land to find peace and security. He also said the growth of Israel since 1948 is like biblical prophecies come true.
“I’ve seen Scripture come to life,” he said. “The desert has bloomed before my eyes.”


If confirmed by the Senate, Huckabee may be the first political appointee — as opposed to interim career foreign service officers — to come to the U.S. Embassy in Israel from a group known as Christian Zionists, who back Israel for theological as well as geopolitical reasons. (The current U.S. ambassador is Jack Lew, an American Jew who served as secretary of the Treasury under Barack Obama.)



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Many Christian Zionists are pre-millenialists — they view the creation of the modern state of Israel as a necessary precondition for the second coming of Jesus and the apocalyptic purification of the world in the end times. Israel, along with the occupied territories it captured in 1967, is considered given by God to the biblical patriarch Abraham, who is told in the Book of Genesis, “God will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.”

Huckabee’s own biblical approach to Israel shows up in his habit of referring to the West Bank as “Judea and Samaria” — a way of signaling a belief that the land has always belonged to the Jewish people.



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Eager to see how huckabee’s scriptural approach to Israeli policy translates into real results
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:25 pm to
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I felt an overwhelming spiritual reality of understanding this is the land that God has given to the Jews

God didn't give them shite. The United States, UK, and UN gave it to them.
Posted by rickyb223
In your walls
Member since Jan 2025
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:32 pm to
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Eager to see how huckabee’s scriptural approach to Israeli policy translates into real results


Answer: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ courtesy of the American taxpayer
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
17544 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:39 pm to
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God didn't give them shite. The United States, UK, and UN gave it to them.



I firmly believe we live in the most blessed nation as messed up as it is on the surface, so anything we have done for Israel in the past is by way of God as far as I'm concerned. They are the minority in their region, and we have always stood with them.

Look, United States has been on top for a while now and one thing that we all know is Israel has been an ally. I am not superstitious, but I think it would be a grave mistake to ever bail on them, unless they were doing something equivalent to the Nazis in WWII.

Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35718 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:41 pm to
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one thing that we all know is Israel has been an ally

I for one do not know or agree with that.

Israel is the most self-interested state actor on the planet. They haven't done a damned thing for the United States.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:43 pm to
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The United States, UK, and UN gave it to them.


I think you mean, Gave it BACK to them...

Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35718 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:44 pm to
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I think you mean, Gave it BACK to them...

Eastern Europeans never held the holy land before 1948. No, I don't impute ownership of the land to people just because other people of their same religion lived there 4 millenia ago.
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 3:45 pm
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:48 pm to
Huckabee is amoral, and if you pay him enough money, he will say what you want him to say.

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Onkelos said to him: What is the punishment of that man, a euphemism for Jesus himself, in the next world? Jesus said to him: He is punished with boiling excrement. As the Master said: Anyone who mocks the words of the Sages will be sentenced to boiling excrement. And this was his sin, as he mocked the words of the Sages.


Gittin: 57a

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Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14680 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:48 pm to
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Israel is the most self-interested state actor on the planet. They haven't done a damned thing for the United States.


I think your pager is buzzing.

If nothing else, crippling Hamas and showing Iran that Hezbollah is a paper tiger has been very helpful to American interests. But we both know Israel has helped the US in many ways beyond that.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:50 pm to
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But we both know Israel has helped the US in many ways beyond that.




From Lloyd Painter's affidavit

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The life rafts were either destroyed, or had been cut loose and had floated away. I personally observed an Israeli MTB methodically machine gun one of the Liberty's empty life rafts that had been cut loose and was floating in the water. I knew at that split second that the thrust of the IDF attack was to kill every American sailor on board. There were to be no survivors that day. I decided to leave all of the wounded sailors below decks for some measure of protection.


This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 4:05 pm
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14680 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:52 pm to
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No, I don't impute ownership of the land to people just because other people of their same religion lived there 4 millenia ago.


Stated more accurately, people of their same religion have lived there for at least 4 millennia. So yes Judea was given back to the Jewish people.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14680 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:57 pm to
Ah yes, let's dig up the ghost of the Liberty, and beat that dead horse some more. It's almost as if you refuse to acknowledge that Israel admits they screwed up there, apologized, and paid the US for years over it. You also refuse to acknowledge that the Liberty wasn't where she was supposed to be, and not where we told Israel she was.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23479 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:58 pm to
Premillennial dispensational literalist nonsense is one of the worst things to ever happen to American evangelicalism.

Unfortunately, now days it is synonymous with American evangelicalism, moreso among the boomers. The younger generations are thankfully waking up and turning toward a more orthodox eschatology and interpretation of Scripture.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 4:06 pm to
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the Liberty wasn't where she was supposed to be, and not where we told Israel she was.


Ah yes, the they deserved it argument


You're scum

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Israeli pilot to IDF war room: This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?

IDF war room to Israeli pilot: Yes, follow orders.

Israeli pilot to IDF war room: But sir, it’s an American ship - I can see the flag!

IDF war room to Israeli pilot: Never mind; hit it.


Steve Forslund writing about the day of the attack

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I read yellow teletype sheets that spewed from the machines in front of me all day. We obtained our input from a variety of sources including the NSA. The teletypes were raw translations of intercepts of Israeli air-to-air and air-to-ground communications between jet aircraft and their ground controller. I read page after page of these transcripts that day as it went on and on. The transcripts made specific reference to the efforts to direct the jets to the target which was identified as American numerous times by the ground controller. Upon arrival, the aircraft specifically identified the target and mentioned the American flag she was flying. There were frequent operational transmissions from the pilots to the ground base describing the strafing runs. The ground control began asking about the status of the target and whether it was sinking. They stressed that the target must be sunk and leave no trace. The pilots stated they had made several runs and the target was still floating. The ground control station re-iterated that it was urgent that the target be sunk, leaving no trace. There was a detectable level of frustration evident in the transmissions over the fact that the aircraft were unable to accomplish the mission quickly and totally.
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 4:21 pm
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
63068 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 4:25 pm to
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Stated more accurately, people of their same religion have lived there for at least 4 millennia.
Judaism didn't even exist 4000 years ago.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14680 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 4:33 pm to
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Judaism didn't even exist 4000 years ago.


Abraham was what 1800 BC? How can I ever forgive myself for being a couple hundred years off?
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14680 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 4:35 pm to
Okay, I’m scum.

Now, was the Liberty where she was supposed to be? Was she where we told Israel she was?
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
63068 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 4:43 pm to
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Abraham was what 1800 BC?
Huh? Uh, no, 'judaism' as you know it wasn't even around until the 7th century BC.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14680 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 4:49 pm to
Abraham established the covenant with God, and is the father of Judaism.
Posted by LeeeroyJenkins
Member since Aug 2024
852 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 4:49 pm to
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Premillennial dispensational literalist nonsense is one of the worst things to ever happen to American evangelicalism.


100%

From 33 A.D. until the 1800s there was no such thing as “Christian Zionism”…solely a made up American “evangelical” invention.
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