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Minimum monthly gross income on a rental property as a % of the purchase price?

Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:22 pm
Posted by auwaterfowler
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:22 pm
The opinion of the resident rental property gurus is appreciated. I’ve read that as a rule of thumb, it should be 1-2% of the purchase price per month, but that seems like a whole lot more than I could ever get for a beachfront rental property in the Gulf Shores area. Seems like 5-8% annually is currently what is being generated on most things I’ve looked at.
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 3:23 pm
Posted by tigerbacon
Arkansas
Member since Aug 2010
4473 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:42 pm to
1-2% of purchase price per month or it’s not worth it. Yes the prices have priced that out basically and that’s why the professionals now sell classes and talks instead of doing it anymore
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 4:27 pm to
At 2% you knocked it out of the park. Those deals are hard to find now.

I would not go lower than 1%.
Posted by lsuconnman
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Member since Feb 2007
4440 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 4:31 pm to
I don’t think that rule of thumb has ever worked for initial purchases. I think most people use it to judge whether they should keep their current house as rental when they want to upgrade based on remaining mortgage and equity v potential rental income.

It may work for a beachfront rental if you are willing to put 40%+ down. But from the previous threads, there’s too much variance in assessments, insurance, property views, and even floor levels that it’s never practical.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 4:58 pm to
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on’t think that rule of thumb has ever worked for initial purchases.


Wrong. 2% still exists today in the midwest. In 2009-2011 I was hitting 3% easy off the MLS.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 5:09 pm to
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In 2009-2011 I was hitting 3% easy off the MLS.


I believe you but how were there renters at those prices?

Like how large was the pool of renters able to pay 2,400 a month to live in an 80k house?

I understand some people need flexibility that comes with renting vs owning, but is that flexibility really worth paying like 3-5x what a mortgage payment would be?

I understand the rule of thumb of 1% or more is the "goal", and maybe I'm wired differently that your average renter, but when I look at your average 200k-300k house I'd rather blow my brains out than pay 2k-3k a month to live there.
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 5:17 pm
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58452 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 5:23 pm to
2% lol what is this the 80s?


2% doesn’t exist anymore unless you’re blackrock that can borrow from the Fed at 0%. Which is how they want it.


If you want a beach house that you can make money on wait for a hurricane and go carpetbag
Posted by BHTiger
Charleston
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 6:02 pm to
Yeah 2% would be unreal in the Charleston area. But less than 1% is a risk.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 6:13 pm to
quote:

maybe I'm wired differently that your average renter, but when I look at your average 200k-300k house I'd rather blow my brains out than pay 2k-3k a month to live there.

Sorry rentoid that’s the price and it doesn’t include the tip
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38421 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 6:23 pm to
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Like how large was the pool of renters able to pay 2,400 a month to live in an 80k house?


I was buying houses like crazy for $20,000. I've sold off most of my portfolio but I still have a house that I bought for $8,000 that is worth $150,000 now.

I could rent those houses all day for $500-$700.

And these were not some kind of special deals I was finding, Literally on the MLS.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 7:12 pm to
quote:

I was buying houses like crazy for $20,000. I've sold off most of my portfolio but I still have a house that I bought for $8,000 that is worth $150,000 now. I could rent those houses all day for $500-$700.


Again I believe you but that just seems insane. A healthy downpayment was (less than) 2 months rent and the mortgage payment including taxes and insurance couldn’t have been more than 200/month lol.


Posted by southside
SW of Monroe
Member since Aug 2018
647 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:27 am to
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And these were not some kind of special deals I was finding, Literally on the MLS.


Ai, social networks, and wholesale/lead generating software has completely changed the game in the last 2 years. They have wiped out the inventory. The tech savvy investor group can now scour an entire state in a few days time by doing no more than telling a program what they are looking for and in what area. If something is on Zillow, Realtor, or MLS than more than likely it is a dud as an investment.
Posted by lsuconnman
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:32 am to
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This post was edited on 2/7/25 at 10:50 am
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:38 am to
you CAN get 2% maybe not at initial acquisition but over the years with the raising of rents. so many here are so ignorant on this. I have done it. All mine are between 1.5 and 2% RTV.

many guys now are stuck buying at .7 and .8. i see it all the time. I would never do that. 1% minimum RTV.

BTW i am about to sell all my portfolio as well now. offers are too good and the appreciation has been phenomenal. With these current properties it is time to exit.
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 11:16 am
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:50 am to
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If something is on Zillow, Realtor, or MLS than more than likely it is a dud as an investment.


just depends on the situation and timeline. but yes, Most Mine sell through a private broker who works for me to private investors for prime price.

Not those cheap arse wholesale vultures. Yes, they will call you and text you ferociously. Never waste your time with those clowns. They are looking for cheap deals. I basically blocked all their numbers using a special app. They will harass you off hours and on weekends. I used to cuss them all out or throw out ridiculous numbers thinking they would stop calling but they still call.

I will reiterate NEVER waste your time with them. Sell to a private investor list or put it on the MLS to sell to a family who wants a home.

This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 11:06 am
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38355 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:53 am to
quote:

The opinion of the resident rental property gurus is appreciated. I’ve read that as a rule of thumb, it should be 1-2% of the purchase price per month, but that seems like a whole lot more than I could ever get for a beachfront rental property in the Gulf Shores area. Seems like 5-8% annually is currently what is being generated on most things I’ve looked at.
Beachfront? Sure, maybe you could do 8 gross - which would be less than 5 net...when the risk free rate is almost 5.
Posted by SalE
At the beach
Member since Jan 2020
2910 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:54 am to
10% annual gross is the goal.
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
88793 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:59 am to
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The never ending texts asking if you’ll consider selling your property make certain the bones are picked clean from distressed properties before they ever see the market.


again, nobody with half a brain sells to those jackasses unless they are a motivated seller. see my posts above.
Posted by lsuconnman
Baton rouge
Member since Feb 2007
4440 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:09 am to
quote:

again, nobody with half a brain sells to those jackasses unless they are a motivated seller. see my posts above.


Goes to show the MLS has effectively evolved from the first line of sale 20 years ago to Facebook marketplace.
Posted by tigerbacon
Arkansas
Member since Aug 2010
4473 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 12:06 pm to
Think about this, stock market can easily give you 10% gains even if you went safe dividend investing. So on 200k, if you not bring in 20,000 a year ion rent your losing money on your investment
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