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After all the hand wringing, lets take a serious look at next year's team
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:45 am
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:45 am
LSU finished winning the last 3 games relatively comfortably. Over those 3, Nuss averaged 304 ypg, completed 70%+ each game and had 7 TDs vs 1 INT.
Green is going to be a problem for teams as a full time player. His 6 catches for 53 and 2 TDs would be in Taylor's top 3 games this season for yards and Taylor only had 2 TDs all season.
Hilton is healthy and now gives us the deep threat we lacked.
Incoming WR portal talent. Nic Anderson (6'4) had a 10 TD season in 23' at OU before getting hurt this season. Barion Brown is a 6'1 burner with SEC production.
The OL did as well as could be expected in the bowl game. We add the best center in the portal. We also add one of the top IOL with Thompson. Curne could be a day one starter. The staff thinks he's that good.
RB: I don't think Durham is 100% from his foot/toe injury. He doesn't have the gear he did earlier. He'll get healthy and be much more dangerous. We add the #1 RB in Berry who is a very dangerous receiver as well.
DL: We add 2 very good P4 productive DEs with Pyburn and Payton. Guillory is back. We have the deepest DL rotation we've had in years and some big boys to clog the middle.
LB is deep and talented. Whit back. Keys looks like a future star and Perk is back in the mix. Likely the star position.
CB: Delane is a top, productive CB. Jackson was a top 7 CB out of HS. Pickett is the top CB out of HS and already practicing with the team.
Safety will be addressed in the portal. The players we have are talented, but still need to develop.
We have solid coaches. Sloan is the question mark, but year 2 as OC hopefully shows improvement. We have talent, experience and depth at most positions. I expect big things in 25'.
Green is going to be a problem for teams as a full time player. His 6 catches for 53 and 2 TDs would be in Taylor's top 3 games this season for yards and Taylor only had 2 TDs all season.
Hilton is healthy and now gives us the deep threat we lacked.
Incoming WR portal talent. Nic Anderson (6'4) had a 10 TD season in 23' at OU before getting hurt this season. Barion Brown is a 6'1 burner with SEC production.
The OL did as well as could be expected in the bowl game. We add the best center in the portal. We also add one of the top IOL with Thompson. Curne could be a day one starter. The staff thinks he's that good.
RB: I don't think Durham is 100% from his foot/toe injury. He doesn't have the gear he did earlier. He'll get healthy and be much more dangerous. We add the #1 RB in Berry who is a very dangerous receiver as well.
DL: We add 2 very good P4 productive DEs with Pyburn and Payton. Guillory is back. We have the deepest DL rotation we've had in years and some big boys to clog the middle.
LB is deep and talented. Whit back. Keys looks like a future star and Perk is back in the mix. Likely the star position.
CB: Delane is a top, productive CB. Jackson was a top 7 CB out of HS. Pickett is the top CB out of HS and already practicing with the team.
Safety will be addressed in the portal. The players we have are talented, but still need to develop.
We have solid coaches. Sloan is the question mark, but year 2 as OC hopefully shows improvement. We have talent, experience and depth at most positions. I expect big things in 25'.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 11:49 am
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:49 am to BayouCowboy
This is the post I've been waiting for. Thanks
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:51 am to BayouCowboy
I think Taylor’s blocking will be missed with both our OTs going pro. And safety is unknown.
Other than that we’re pretty stacked next season.
Other than that we’re pretty stacked next season.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:55 am to BayouCowboy
I don’t necessarily disagree with anything you said. But you did said you were taking a “serious” look at next year’s team and only listed one possible concern or question mark. If you seriously think that Sloan is the only question mark going into next year that’s fine, but I don’t think most would agree with that.
Saying that the safety position isn’t a question mark because we will add one in the portal without having a clue who it is shows that your analysis isn’t really that deep.
Saying that the safety position isn’t a question mark because we will add one in the portal without having a clue who it is shows that your analysis isn’t really that deep.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 11:59 am
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:56 am to CatfishJohn
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I think Taylor’s blocking will be missed with both our OTs going pro. And safety is unknown.
Sharp gives us the more traditional TE, but Green will get better at blocking. Taylor hasn't been a great or consistent blocker either. He definitely improved over time though.
Safety seriously needs improvement.
Next, lets fix the run game and get special teams cleaned up. Do this and we are ready to make a run.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:56 am to BayouCowboy
quote:^^^ Offseason hype thread. (Me) --> I want to believe!
We have solid coaches, we have talent, experience and depth at most positions. I expect big things in 25'.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:59 am to LSBoosie
quote:
I don’t necessarily disagree with anything you said. But you did said you were taking a “serious” look at next year’s team and only listed one possible concern or question mark. If you seriously think that Sloan is the only question mark going into next year that’s fine, but I don’t think most would agree with that.
By all means jump in. Sloan was the only coaching question mark outside of Special teams which needs a dedicated coach.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:00 pm to BayouCowboy
The safety position is a massive question mark. As is the offensive line. I don’t see how you can say anything else.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:01 pm to BayouCowboy
That is a little optimistic, which is fine.
But there is another way to look at this if you think we can make a run at elite status:
On offense, the "hope' that Sloan improves with experience is not a plan. And that is not an insignificant issue, IMO.
And if you look past the last three games, you have to acknowledge that when Nuss does not have a clean pocket, he is not good (understatement).
Our OL will be deeper, but it is unproven and our best guys are gone.
I like our WR room now, and i think we will be ok at TE for the passing game. Can our OL provide Nuss a clean pocket next year, and can it block for the running game with new folks? Where is a blocking TE?
I like our defense with the new guys, but again, hope is not a plan for safety.
But there is another way to look at this if you think we can make a run at elite status:
On offense, the "hope' that Sloan improves with experience is not a plan. And that is not an insignificant issue, IMO.
And if you look past the last three games, you have to acknowledge that when Nuss does not have a clean pocket, he is not good (understatement).
Our OL will be deeper, but it is unproven and our best guys are gone.
I like our WR room now, and i think we will be ok at TE for the passing game. Can our OL provide Nuss a clean pocket next year, and can it block for the running game with new folks? Where is a blocking TE?
I like our defense with the new guys, but again, hope is not a plan for safety.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:03 pm to wrongRob
quote:
^^^ Offseason hype thread. (Me) --> I want to believe!
Not really hype. I'm not proclaiming a NC, but we have addressed most of the team deficiencies and have a good mix of talent, depth and experience that we haven't had in the last few years. OL will certainly be an unknown, but they looked OK in the bowl game and Moore should make the C position much better. That's the QB of the OL and Chester's struggles hurt us a lot this season.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:08 pm to LSBoosie
quote:
aying that the safety position isn’t a question mark because we will add one in the portal without having a clue who it is shows that your analysis isn’t really that deep.
By saying that what we have need to develop identifies them as a question mark and that we need/or will address that through the portal identifies it as a question mark.
Do I need to spell it out?
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:12 pm to BayouCowboy
LSU will return the top QB in the SEC from a statistical standpoint. I'm sure there will be optimism around guys like Sellers, Nico, Green (Arkansas), but no one in the league threw for more yards and TDs than Nuss (with Ewers still playing). While maybe not to the level of both guys, there is no reason to think Nuss can't improve from year 1 to 2 as a starter like Burrow and Daniels did.
LSU may or may not have any superstars at WR (TBD), but they seem to have a hell of a lot of guys who can make plays. Green is an emerging mismatch at TE. Sharp should at least be solid.
Durham was the breakout freshman this year. I still think Jackson is a good player...if used correctly. The approach the running game as a whole sucked. If Sloan/Kelly are willing to accept than and adjust LSU should be fine at RB.
The OL has the most uncertainty, but they've addressed it with productive players from major conferences. If you believe the HS recruiting at the spot is good, you have to to think the OL can be "good enough".
IMO, a lot of how good LSU can be will rest on Sloan. He wasn't great this year. Relative to the rest of the SEC there is no reason LSU can't be the top offense in the league.
Baker improved from year 1 to year 2 at Mizzou. No reason to think he can't do it here. You like what LSU did in the portal at DE and there is reason to hope the DTs will be better than "just ok" given Guillory's return and the hopeful development of Breaux/McKinley. If nothing else, LSU has several "bodies" to try.
CB should be better (even though its wasn't bad last year).
I'm surprised LSU didn't address the LB position in the portal. Weeks was great, but everyone else looked to be pretty average. Yes, Keys had moments, but he didn't really flash. Think back to other great LSU LBs. like Beckwith, White, Clark, even Weeks. While they weren't starters in their first year when they played you could see the flashes. I'm not sure this group of LBs has that. I guess what they will try to do with Perkins again is the wildcard.
Safety is still a big concern.
Unfortunately, the schedule is not as favorable as last year. A true road game @ Clemson is tougher than a neutral site game against an average USC team. Assuming LSU likely would need to be 10-2 to get to the CFP, losing the Clemson game reduces their margin for error with road trips to Alabama, Ole Miss and Oklahoma. Yes, no one "fears" those games now, but this past season only 2 SEC teams lost fewer than 2 SEC road games.
I think with a productive 5th year senior returning QB Kelly knows this is an "all in" year. He blew his last shot with such a player by fielding one of the worst defenses in LSU history. I trust Baker won't have a defense THAT bad next season. Given that, I think the offense can be good enough for a CFP run.
This year a CFP appearance shouldn't have been expected. Next year it will be disappointing if one doesn't happen.
LSU may or may not have any superstars at WR (TBD), but they seem to have a hell of a lot of guys who can make plays. Green is an emerging mismatch at TE. Sharp should at least be solid.
Durham was the breakout freshman this year. I still think Jackson is a good player...if used correctly. The approach the running game as a whole sucked. If Sloan/Kelly are willing to accept than and adjust LSU should be fine at RB.
The OL has the most uncertainty, but they've addressed it with productive players from major conferences. If you believe the HS recruiting at the spot is good, you have to to think the OL can be "good enough".
IMO, a lot of how good LSU can be will rest on Sloan. He wasn't great this year. Relative to the rest of the SEC there is no reason LSU can't be the top offense in the league.
Baker improved from year 1 to year 2 at Mizzou. No reason to think he can't do it here. You like what LSU did in the portal at DE and there is reason to hope the DTs will be better than "just ok" given Guillory's return and the hopeful development of Breaux/McKinley. If nothing else, LSU has several "bodies" to try.
CB should be better (even though its wasn't bad last year).
I'm surprised LSU didn't address the LB position in the portal. Weeks was great, but everyone else looked to be pretty average. Yes, Keys had moments, but he didn't really flash. Think back to other great LSU LBs. like Beckwith, White, Clark, even Weeks. While they weren't starters in their first year when they played you could see the flashes. I'm not sure this group of LBs has that. I guess what they will try to do with Perkins again is the wildcard.
Safety is still a big concern.
Unfortunately, the schedule is not as favorable as last year. A true road game @ Clemson is tougher than a neutral site game against an average USC team. Assuming LSU likely would need to be 10-2 to get to the CFP, losing the Clemson game reduces their margin for error with road trips to Alabama, Ole Miss and Oklahoma. Yes, no one "fears" those games now, but this past season only 2 SEC teams lost fewer than 2 SEC road games.
I think with a productive 5th year senior returning QB Kelly knows this is an "all in" year. He blew his last shot with such a player by fielding one of the worst defenses in LSU history. I trust Baker won't have a defense THAT bad next season. Given that, I think the offense can be good enough for a CFP run.
This year a CFP appearance shouldn't have been expected. Next year it will be disappointing if one doesn't happen.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:34 pm to BayouCowboy
quote:
By saying that what we have need to develop identifies them as a question mark and that we need/or will address that through the portal identifies it as a question mark.
Do I need to spell it out?
If you are saying every position group that “needs to develop” is a question mark, then we have question marks all over the field.
I mean you said safety will be addressed in the portal as a definitive fact. Sloan was the only thing that you specifically pointed out as a question mark. So when you specifically pointed out one thing as a question mark, but nothing else, I’m not really sure what to assume.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:42 pm to BayouCowboy
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Sloan is the question mark
Per game averages: (2022 numbers)
30.46pts (34.5)
23.54 1st downs (24.9)
6.19 yds/play (6.36)
49.2% 3rd down conv. (48.6)
50% 4th down conv. (50)
83.02% Red Zone Success (86.15)
LSU finished as the #28 offense in the country. One spot below Ohio St.
4,000yd QB (2nd best year in LSU history)
FR RB who probably would've been 1k rusher if not hurt ended with 5.4yds/car
People keep trying to say Sloan was the problem because they want one thing to be the problem. We got spoiled to Jayden/Malik/BTJ so it looks bad by comparison, but if you compare to 2022 when Denbrock was the OC and Jayden was in his first year starting, we were pretty comparable.
The reality is play calling wasn't that bad. Our struggles had just as much to do with players on the field as it did with play calling. Key injuries to Dellinger, Daniels, and Durham during our toughest stretch of games hurt more than I think we realize.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:44 pm to LSBoosie
quote:
Sloan was the only thing that you specifically pointed out as a question mark. So when you specifically pointed out one thing as a question mark, but nothing else, I’m not really sure what to assume.
quote:
We have solid coaches. Sloan is the question mark, but year 2 as OC hopefully shows improvement.
Coaches question mark.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:44 pm to BayouCowboy
Everything except OC and Safeties sounds like an NC team. The problem is we have a very difficult road schedule next year. We have to find a better running game. Also don't forget about STs needing a major overhaul.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:48 pm to BayouCowboy
I get it I’m just saying you didn’t specifically pointed out anything else as a question mark. Do you think that every position group that needs to develop is a question mark?
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:51 pm to Yeti_Chaser
I forgot Special Teams.
BK seems to have the same problem, which for a $100 million price tag is..., er...surprising.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:53 pm to Alt26
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I'm surprised LSU didn't address the LB position in the portal
Ngl I gotta disagree. I think next year is one of the deeper and more talented lb rooms we’ve had in quite some time. Keys absolutely flashed down the stretch and made plays, Perkins will be back and should be a playmaker at star with another year in baker’s system, singleton has a ton of athleticism and talent, the HS recruiting class was absolutely stacked at lb and had an argument for best lb recruiting class in the country. Ross, baker and Moses all bring athleticism and dynamic skillsets. Theirs a reason Atkins entered the portal he knew he would be passed up and the talent we bringing in
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