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Impact of JUCO ruling on MLB draft/leverage?
Posted on 12/29/24 at 10:39 am
Posted on 12/29/24 at 10:39 am
Have we heard anything on if the recent ruling on Pavia will affect baseball guys? Has pretty big potential to send waves through the sport if the clock hasn’t started?
Players impacted from brief look
Tanner Reaves: One redshirt year, two years in JUCO, four years eligible?
Blaise Priester: One redshirt year, two years in JUCO, four years eligible?
Connor Benge, One year at LSU-E, one year at DBU, three years eligible?
Grant Fontenot: One redshirt year, one year in JUCO, one year at Texas, three years eligible?
Connor Ware: Two years at JUCO, four years eligible?
Similarly, I’m sure this will start a trend of offering developmental guys a year at LSU-E instead of redshirting so they can play?
Players impacted from brief look
Tanner Reaves: One redshirt year, two years in JUCO, four years eligible?
Blaise Priester: One redshirt year, two years in JUCO, four years eligible?
Connor Benge, One year at LSU-E, one year at DBU, three years eligible?
Grant Fontenot: One redshirt year, one year in JUCO, one year at Texas, three years eligible?
Connor Ware: Two years at JUCO, four years eligible?
Similarly, I’m sure this will start a trend of offering developmental guys a year at LSU-E instead of redshirting so they can play?
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 10:51 am
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Posted on 12/29/24 at 10:47 am to AkronTiger
It should apply to all, even though it doesn't make sense to me. Originally, you had a five year clock to use four years of eligibility, with any extra time had to be extraordinary circumstances. The clock starts as soon as you enroll into a college or university. Courts decided that this doesn't matter anymore. Might be fair to say Pavia's ruling will be the case law used to allow JUCO athletes to compete until they're in their mid and late 20s in the D1 level if they reach that.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 10:53 am to AkronTiger
From what I’ve read it applies only to kids currently enrolled in JUCO so theoretically yes it could help those currently but not future high school athletes. I find that odd but that’s how one article I read framed it up. The ruling stands to have the biggest impact on high school and college baseball than any other sport and would turn JUCO ball into a defacto minor leagues of high level college baseball for most prospects aside from the highest end HS players. But at some point the overall wear and tear on a players body has to come into account if the goal truly is MLB.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 10:54 am to AkronTiger
Don’t worry about ware
He’s going pro after this season
He’s going pro after this season
Posted on 12/29/24 at 10:59 am to BilbeauTBaggins
JUCO will be a lot more attractive to the high schoolers who aren't heavily recruited. They can get two good years of training then hopefully flip to a four year college.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 11:02 am to Mr Happy
I think you're going to see a drop off in the number of D1 universities that can't afford the scholarship numbers once CFB goes the super league route. CFB is why these schools are able to have athletic departments and other programs. We're eventually going to get rid of the FCS games and those programs will start to perish. JUCO will probably be the answer for some, but a lot of kids just want to be in a major program even if it means they will rarely see the field. Football will be the biggest one. Those roster limits are going to cut out most of the practice dummies that should actually be in JUCO programs playing.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 11:43 am to AkronTiger
This is another thing that is going to make college baseball older, similar to how NIL is keeping more fringe guys in school for their 4th season. As for guys being able to hang around forever, it really only impacts guys who will never be pro prospects. If you have pro aspirations, getting drafted at 24 is nearly impossible.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 11:47 am to AkronTiger
Doesn’t matter, if they are good they are going pro
Posted on 12/29/24 at 11:56 am to Lester Earl
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Doesn’t matter, if they are good they are going pro
Depending on how far they can leap up the rookie pay scale in the draft, this may or may not be true.
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 11:57 am
Posted on 12/29/24 at 11:59 am to AkronTiger
It only gives an extra year to people who went to juco and complete their eligibility this year.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:14 pm to AkronTiger
Eligibility is just not a commodity anymore with the transfer portal, especially in baseball.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:57 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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It should apply to all, even though it doesn't make sense to me.
Technically, the ruling itself only applies to Pavia as it wasn't a class action suit. The NCAA did extend an extra year of eligibility to any former JUCO whose eligibility otherwise would have expired in the 2024-25 season. I suspect the NCAA plans to put out a clearly defined set of rules that specifically defines when the eligibility clock starts effectively making it enrollment in an NCAA-affiliated school.
In simple terms, I could see it being if you start in JUCO before going to college, it doesn't count against your elligibility, go from D1 to JUCO then it does.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 1:56 pm to AkronTiger
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Doesn’t matter, if they are good they are going pro Depending on how far they can leap up the rookie pay scale in the draft, this may or may not be true.
MLB also reduced the size of the draft so the number of drafted players went down.
The pros value youth and future projections, that’s why they were signing 14 yo Dominicans (now 16yo).
However, I think team wise some teams will benefit from having mature veteran players that have played a lot of baseball.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 3:30 pm to Tigerfan14
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getting drafted at 24 is nearly impossible
True, but as some posters have said, college baseball will get older. More than almost any sport, team play in baseball improves so much with continuity. There may be a batch of “lifers” so to speak: grown men who know that their pro-prospects are nil, so why not stay with the current team until they are 24. Maybe programs dedicated to player development will do all they can to keep such guys on the roster year after year. Maybe the right blend of veteran leadership will make these older teams successful at the college level
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