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DJT statement on debt ceiling.

Posted on 12/20/24 at 4:24 am
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 4:24 am
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
13997 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 4:38 am to
Without a debt ceiling is there any incentive to curb spending or shrink federal government?
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
27459 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 4:51 am to
If they are making government more efficient, as they say, why is this an issue?
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
7889 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 4:52 am to
this is bizarre and feels more like people telling me what to think rather than explaining why this is a good or bad thing
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 5:09 am to
His stance here poses an existential issue for DOGE - why in the hell does it exist?

Vivek and Elon are going to get tired of this bullshite.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
34584 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 5:11 am to
quote:

Without a debt ceiling is there any incentive to curb spending or shrink federal government?


The debt limit is clearly not an incentive for that as it is.
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
6585 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 5:17 am to
The debt ceiling has never curbed a cent of spending. It's primarily a political football. I don't love this line of thinking Trump's running with, but the truth is that as long as the fed is at the disposal of corporate lobby armies in this country, spending will never be reigned in.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
69480 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 5:17 am to
Trump’s new message is the pressure is hard so just kick the can down the road so I don’t have to deal with it?

He’s made quite a concerning and annoying set of statements this last week.

Someone explain to me how “Increase and extended the debt ceiling another 5 years” is a good thing in line with draining the swamp and conservativism. I’ll wait.
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 5:23 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295468 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 5:29 am to
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Trump’s new message is the pressure is hard so just kick the can down the road so I don’t have to deal with it?


Yes. Growth at all cost.
Posted by GoblinGuide
Member since Nov 2017
2003 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 5:45 am to
quote:

The debt limit is clearly not an incentive for that as it is.


The debt limit has never been anything more than a tool Republicans use to threaten Democratic presidents. It's conveniently forgotten when a Republican is in the White House.

Of course he wants it suspended until 2029. He doesn't want it to potentially be used against him.
Posted by RelicBatches86
Florida
Member since Nov 2024
968 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 5:47 am to
what are they gonna do it about it? they're in a made-up position with no power except with proximity to Trump

DOGE is political cover for Trump and a reward. Musk did spend $200 million on Trump's winning campaign after all

Any recommended cuts that are unpopular can be blamed on them if Trump decides to cut ties with him

Without MAGA, they would just be Bloomberg and Thiel - just rich guys influence peddling but not known to the public. Unless Vivek can prove he can win an election somewhere. Vivek and Musk want the attention
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 5:51 am
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125250 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 5:50 am to
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The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Over the past 5 years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion. That is "trillion" with a "T." That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers. And over the next 5 years, between now and 2011, the President's budget will increase the debt by almost another $3.5 trillion.

Numbers that large are sometimes hard to understand. Some people may wonder why they matter. Here is why: This year, the Federal Government will spend $220 billion on interest. That is more money to pay interest on our national debt than we'll spend on Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program. That is more money to pay interest on our debt this year than we will spend on education, homeland security, transportation, and veterans benefits combined. It is more money in one year than we are likely to spend to rebuild the devastated gulf coast in a way that honors the best of America.

And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on. Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America's priorities. Instead, interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans — a debt tax that Washington doesn't want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.



-Barack Obama

You dumb fig.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
69480 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 5:53 am to
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Without MAGA, they would just be Bloomberg and Thiel - just rich guys influence peddling but not known to the public



…….. you’re saying without MAGA, Elon Musk would be an unknown figure without influence? Do you know how stupid that statement is?
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
69480 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 5:58 am to
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Barack Obama You dumb fig.


When he was a senator in 2006 before he ran for president. Doing what most politicians do. Pointing out problems and promising to make positive changes in order to win an election and then immediately forgetting everything he promised and doing nothing to actually help.

Considering Obama said that and then less than 2 years later went on to inflate the debt and raise the ceiling, the statement and its timing proves Obama and Trump are a lot more alike that you care to admit. I’m not sure that was your intention but I hope you notice it is the reality.
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 5:59 am
Posted by srotaG adirolF
Lakeland, Florida
Member since May 2004
805 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 6:00 am to
I think he needs the debt limit raised so he can issue bonds on it.
If they cut now, no bonds can be issued therefore no investors, e.g., the Soft Bank Japanese dude.
I could be wrong but that's how I'm interepting it.
Posted by GoblinGuide
Member since Nov 2017
2003 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 6:02 am to
quote:

Barack Obama

You dumb fig.


So Trump is basically Obama? Got it.
Posted by RFK
Mar-a-Lago
Member since May 2012
2684 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 6:05 am to
Based on the differing viewpoints on this thread, it’s obvious this wasn’t thought through…
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
79899 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 6:05 am to
When was the debt ceiling ever followed?

Has it ever been effective at stopping spending?
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 7:02 am
Posted by Mandtgr47
Member since Aug 2024
7918 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 6:09 am to
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TBoy


Serious question, do they give y'all talking points for the day/week, over at DU? I'm being serious.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
39467 posts
Posted on 12/20/24 at 6:10 am to
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I think he needs the debt limit raised so he can issue bonds on it.


He did offer incentives for investors.
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