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Senate stealing from the poor - this should be a crime.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 12/19/24 at 5:34 pm
Those who paid into social security should not be penalized by getting a job as teacher, policeman, fireman, etc.
This money came out of our paychecks and the Government has kept it with interest.
This is an absolute crime. Rich people telling the elderly that cannot receive what is rightfully theirs- the social security system that they paid into all of their lives.
But we found trillions to give to Ukraine, illegal immigrants etc. This is why Trump won- to get rid of the swamp. But The Rinos, establishment politicians are still committing their crimes against the poor and the elderly.
Senators Cruz, Rand Paul, Grassley, Lee of Utah are leading the 27 Repubicans to vote against helping the elderly. They are saying by passing the Social Security Fairness Act that it place Social Security in jeopardy. That is absolutely false.
More than 2.8 million hard-working Americans, including many educators, policeman, firemen, etc have their Social Security benefits reduced—or lose them entirely—due to the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) and Government Pension Offset (GPO).
The Social Security Fairness Act is not an 'expansion' of benefits, it is the RESTORATION of benefits unfairly taken away in 1983. The Act simply restores Social Security benefit calculations to the same method as everyone else's in calculated. Nothing extra about it.
Please keep in mind that this is for private-sector, extra work or careers by firefighters, teachers, and others. Their income from public service careers is not part of the calculation. So, for example, if they only worked their public service job, but no other job, they would get NOTHING from Social Security.
These good people should have NEVER been singled out from the overall group of Social Security recipients!
The Social Security Fairness Act (H.R. 82) fully repeals both the GPO and WEP. In a huge leap forward, Reps. Garret Graves (R-LA) and Abigail Spanberger (D-VA) introduced a discharge petition to force Speaker Mike Johnson to bring the bill to the floor. On Sept. 20, we reached the magic number of signatories to the discharge petition—a majority of 218—that triggers a floor vote on the Social Security Fairness Act.
On Nov. 12, for the first time ever, the House passed H.R. 82 by a vote of 327-75.
The bipartisan push to repeal the GPO/WEP is a direct result of your advocacy and the momentum we have built. It also shows that reaching across the aisle can get results, even in these fractious times!
This money came out of our paychecks and the Government has kept it with interest.
This is an absolute crime. Rich people telling the elderly that cannot receive what is rightfully theirs- the social security system that they paid into all of their lives.
But we found trillions to give to Ukraine, illegal immigrants etc. This is why Trump won- to get rid of the swamp. But The Rinos, establishment politicians are still committing their crimes against the poor and the elderly.
Senators Cruz, Rand Paul, Grassley, Lee of Utah are leading the 27 Repubicans to vote against helping the elderly. They are saying by passing the Social Security Fairness Act that it place Social Security in jeopardy. That is absolutely false.
More than 2.8 million hard-working Americans, including many educators, policeman, firemen, etc have their Social Security benefits reduced—or lose them entirely—due to the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) and Government Pension Offset (GPO).
The Social Security Fairness Act is not an 'expansion' of benefits, it is the RESTORATION of benefits unfairly taken away in 1983. The Act simply restores Social Security benefit calculations to the same method as everyone else's in calculated. Nothing extra about it.
Please keep in mind that this is for private-sector, extra work or careers by firefighters, teachers, and others. Their income from public service careers is not part of the calculation. So, for example, if they only worked their public service job, but no other job, they would get NOTHING from Social Security.
These good people should have NEVER been singled out from the overall group of Social Security recipients!
The Social Security Fairness Act (H.R. 82) fully repeals both the GPO and WEP. In a huge leap forward, Reps. Garret Graves (R-LA) and Abigail Spanberger (D-VA) introduced a discharge petition to force Speaker Mike Johnson to bring the bill to the floor. On Sept. 20, we reached the magic number of signatories to the discharge petition—a majority of 218—that triggers a floor vote on the Social Security Fairness Act.
On Nov. 12, for the first time ever, the House passed H.R. 82 by a vote of 327-75.
The bipartisan push to repeal the GPO/WEP is a direct result of your advocacy and the momentum we have built. It also shows that reaching across the aisle can get results, even in these fractious times!
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 5:43 pm
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Posted on 12/19/24 at 5:35 pm to davidsheroes
Get rid of all of it.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 5:36 pm to davidsheroes
how much have WE paid for their sexual misconduct funds?
how much have WE paid for their coverups?
how much have WE paid for their pork bills?
I HATE these criminals on both sides of the aisle.
how much have WE paid for their coverups?
how much have WE paid for their pork bills?
I HATE these criminals on both sides of the aisle.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 5:37 pm to dstone12
I agree with you 1000%.
How do these same people who ask for your vote continue to get away with it.
How do these same people who ask for your vote continue to get away with it.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 5:39 pm to davidsheroes
The Social Security Fairness Act is not an 'expansion' of benefits, it is the RESTORATION of benefits unfairly taken away in 1983. The Act simply restores Social Security benefit calculations to the same method as everyone else's in calculated. Nothing extra about it. Please keep in mind that this is for private-sector, extra work or careers by firefighters, teachers, and others. Their income from public service careers is not part of the calculation. So, for example, if they only worked their public service job, but no other job, they would get NOTHING from Social Security.
These good people should have NEVER been singled out from the overall group of Social Security recipients!
These good people should have NEVER been singled out from the overall group of Social Security recipients!
Posted on 12/19/24 at 5:41 pm to davidsheroes
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More than 2.8 million hard-working Americans, including many educators, policeman, firemen, etc have their Social Security benefits reduced—or lose them entirely—due to the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) and Government Pension Offset (GPO).
This^^^ is because they have government/taxpayer provided pensions so they get a reduced SS benefit. Think about how many Americans have no pension......a lot.
Remember the American Rescue Plan that the Dims and Recucklicans passed during COVID19 Hysteria? There was approximately $35 billion from that stimulus money that went to the Teamsters Midwest Pesion Fund to bail out that mismanaged pension fund and a lot of the money came from millions of taxpayers who don't even have a pension.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 5:42 pm to davidsheroes
This money came out of our paychecks and the Government has kept it with interest.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:22 pm to davidsheroes
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This money came out of our paychecks and the Government has kept it with interest.
Who do you think paid for your pension?
The taxpayers.
Add up what you paid into SS, then see what you will get out of your pension.
Then check what normal people pay into SS
Then check what they will get out of it.
Come back with numbers.
If you pay in more and get out less then I think you have a point.
Else I am very against it and it seems greedy.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:30 pm to davidsheroes
double dipping.............
Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:36 pm to davidsheroes
Not as simple as you make it out to be.
If you were an employee of the federal government before 1983, you did not pay Social Security taxes, per USA.gov. As a result, your Social Security earnings record will not reflect that pay. At that time, the federal government used the Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS) to offer benefits to its employees.
Today, however, the government uses the Federal Employees Retirement System (FERS) instead. All federal employees under FERS are eligible to collect Social Security. If you decided to stay in the CSRS, you won't be eligible for Social Security even if you continued working for the federal government, the Social Security Administration explains.
The FERS system began in 1987. Workers who participate in FERS are eligible for Social Security. If you chose to stay in CSRS after 1983, you are not eligible for Social Security
If you were an employee of the federal government before 1983, you did not pay Social Security taxes, per USA.gov. As a result, your Social Security earnings record will not reflect that pay. At that time, the federal government used the Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS) to offer benefits to its employees.
Today, however, the government uses the Federal Employees Retirement System (FERS) instead. All federal employees under FERS are eligible to collect Social Security. If you decided to stay in the CSRS, you won't be eligible for Social Security even if you continued working for the federal government, the Social Security Administration explains.
The FERS system began in 1987. Workers who participate in FERS are eligible for Social Security. If you chose to stay in CSRS after 1983, you are not eligible for Social Security
Posted on 12/19/24 at 8:01 pm to ljhog
So as a retired teacher of 30’years in the public system what does this mean for me. Husband has been receiving SS payments for 6 years.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 8:17 pm to tigger4ever
Why should I get penalized for being a firefighter for 16 years, then working in the private sector for 30 years?? I will get $2,000 a month from my pension. Why should my SS get dinged that I will have paid into just as much as anyone else?
Posted on 12/19/24 at 8:20 pm to davidsheroes
They are right that it could make SS insolvent sooner, but the sooner this happens the better.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 8:29 pm to davidsheroes
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This money came out of our paychecks and the Government has kept it with interest.
And the funding for the pensions those groups enjoy came out of our paychecks, too.
Why should I be paying for two retirement programs for you?
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:17 pm to David_DJS
Wrong. Pension funding comes from the employer and employee contributing to the fund dueing employment. Like an annuity, the fund invests and continually recieves money from new .and existing employees. Investments dictate the fund's return and financial viability
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:19 pm to Trevaylin
Wrong. The new law only allows you to receive from social security relative to what money you paid into the system.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:28 pm to Narax
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Who do you think paid for your pension?
The taxpayers
Tell everyone you dont know how SS works, without telling them you dont know how SS works
Not a dime of SS retirement money is "taxpayer money". It is your money, taken from your paycheck, that goes into a separate account that Congress cannot access. By denying them a return on their stolen money, well, most folks call that theft
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:34 pm to David_DJS
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And the funding for the pensions those groups enjoy came out of our paychecks, too.
What the frick are you talking about?
In La. state employees have their own retirement acct. You didnt pay one red penny into that system, unless you worked for the state. People can even request money back if they leave the system
The FED says, Nope, its our money now. frick you for ever working in the private sector
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:38 pm to davidsheroes
You obviously have not read the current bill.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:40 pm to Trevaylin
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double dipping.............
It’s not double dipping. If you worked 10 years in the private sector and paid into social security and then worked 25 years as a teacher as part of a teachers retirement system (which you as a teacher would pay your taxes to the system - exactly like SS) you don’t retire as a teacher with 35 years. You are paid as a teacher that only worked 25 years and you lose out on all the money you paid into Social security.
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