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Root Cause Investigation - O Line
Posted on 12/18/24 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 12/18/24 at 2:27 pm
In business or industry, when something does not go as planned, we do a root cause investigation. Surely some type of forensic study would be done to determine what happened to the expectation, partially fed to us by the coaches, that the O_line would be dominate this year.
Are experts (Pro O-line coaches, for example) brought in to critique coaching, techniques, scheme, etc??? What other deep dives would be done, and who would lead these? Please tell me something.
Are experts (Pro O-line coaches, for example) brought in to critique coaching, techniques, scheme, etc??? What other deep dives would be done, and who would lead these? Please tell me something.
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 2:29 pm to TooSober
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 2:30 pm to TooSober
I like this idea but I think we'd find out that it's a combination of these factors as well as a few other things like RB patience, waiting for holes to open, etc.. Pass blocking seemed good for the most part, except when Nuss would start running backwards when pressure arrived.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 2:35 pm to TooSober
The Center struggled and the approach to the running game was poor and predictable. Nussmeier was unwilling to be a factor in the running game approach, which helped make it easy to defend. Later in the season the interior pass-pro struggled because you had a below-average center playing along side a RS Freshmen LG making his first starts.
There's your root cause. No experts or expensive consultants needed. It's not rocket science. It's football.
There's your root cause. No experts or expensive consultants needed. It's not rocket science. It's football.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 2:41 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
As found in the Gospels... Blessed be the Spell Checkers, for they shall inherit the English Class
Posted on 12/18/24 at 2:45 pm to TooSober
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As found in the Gospels... Blessed be the Spell Checkers, for they shall inherit the English Class
The guy that invented auto-correct just died.
May he rust in piss
Posted on 12/18/24 at 2:46 pm to TooSober
It'll be interesting to see what the pros think. If all 4 our our guys get drafted, you have to assume coaches and offense were the problem.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 2:46 pm to TooSober
There was a pass play where the center or guard blatantly allows a defender to blitz through to get to Nuss. Someone made a .gif of it.
That is your Root Cause Analysis.
That is your Root Cause Analysis.
This post was edited on 12/18/24 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 12/18/24 at 2:47 pm to TooSober
Someone posted a run play of TDP from when he set the record in the single game rushing record in the 2021 Florida game... The blocking in that play was nothing like what I saw this year.... Saying "oh we had a bad center, there's your answer" does not cut it in the run game. For most of the year we had what we expected to be superior, experienced players. There are many reasons why we could not run from Game 1 on and no stone should be left unturned to find them.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 2:49 pm to jtran1988
Thread is on run game blocking... try to focus.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:16 pm to Alt26
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The Center struggled and the approach to the running game was poor and predictable . . . There's your root cause. No experts or expensive consultants needed. It's not rocket science. It's football.
Why did the center struggle? Why was the approach poor and predictable? We have to ask our 5 whys.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:19 pm to TooSober
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Surely some type of forensic study would be done to determine what happened to the expectation
It was several factors mostly on the interior offensive line play. Some of it was poor technique & fundamentals. Guys not firing off the ball at the snap, bad footwork, poor hand placement at times, lineman being "too tall" while trying to make driving blocks.
Predictable run formations & personnel groupings tipped the defense off to it being a run play & to which gap.
Inexperience. Players like DJ Chester & Paul Mubenga simply lacked the experience & live game reps to consistently under their assignments especially in pass pro. Usually your better offensive line units in college football are upperclassmen across the board. When there's interior offensive line inexperience & a QB gets pressure right in his face almost immediately, there's going to be issues.
Injuries. Having Dellinger & Adams out during the meat part of the schedule played a major role in the offensive play. Their injuries just so happened to occur during the meat part of the SEC schedule.
This post was edited on 12/18/24 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:27 pm to BigBrod81
Good analysis BigBrod81
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:34 pm to Good Times
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:46 pm to TooSober
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Someone posted a run play of TDP from when he set the record in the single game rushing record in the 2021 Florida game.
Your mention of the 2021 Florida game is ironically appropriate for this discussion. Before that game LSU had a pretty bad rushing offense. I think TDP was last in the SEC in yards per carry (or close to it). Vs. Florida they started to run more counters. Brought in a TE who could block. Instead of the zone scheme they ran in the "Joe Brady" offense with CEH, the realized TDP was a completely different back with different strengths and played to them. LSU adjusted their approach to fit the the strengths of their personnel and it paid dividends. TDP became a 1000 yard rusher that season
Sloan/BK never really adjusted their approach to the running game this year. They just, at times, lamented the fact Nuss wouldn't keep the ball on read-option type plays. We guys, I hate to break it to you. He's not Jayden Daniels. And if your QB is uncomfortable or unwilling to do something that is not his strong suit adjust to something that fits what your players do best
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:48 pm to BigBrod81
My root cause analysis as a former coach on the h.s. level indicates the center position is the key on the oline. He calls blocking schemes for the linemen, per each play. Physically, he must have leg strength and upper body strength, so as not to be pushed back into the QB and the backfield and thrust forward and push back defensive linemen.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 3:52 pm to Alt26
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The Center struggled and the approach to the running game was poor and predictable.
Yup. The whole interior was pretty meh.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 4:18 pm to Alt26
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The Center struggled and the approach to the running game was poor and predictable. Nussmeier was unwilling to be a factor in the running game approach, which helped make it easy to defend. Later in the season the interior pass-pro struggled because you had a below-average center playing along side a RS Freshmen LG making his first starts.
There's your root cause. No experts or expensive consultants needed. It's not rocket science. It's football.
I'll go ahead and call you an expert, because my replies to your observations are yes, yes, yes, and yes
And as you know already I'm sure, the coaches don't need to be told.
Unfortunately for us, we were seeing what was our best chance to succeed. Changes are necessary, and I think if Nuss comes out Game 1 at Clemson and shows the same grit and determination translated to running the ball when necessary, we will see the desired outcome.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 4:18 pm to TooSober
In your root cause, did you note that Caden Durham finished the year fifth in the SEC at 5.5 yards per carry and Josh Williams finished about 20th at 4.1 yards per carry? Did the O-Line decide to only block for Caden and not block for Josh? Why the difference?
Also, Caden Durham was the third leading RB in the SEC with 257 Receiving yards at nearly 10 yards per catch. Josh finished 4th at 247 yds.
Caden played through a foot injury this year which slowed him down during the back half of the year. The true root cause was Red Zone running and Caleb Jackson not developing. Holes were there based on Caden’s results, but neither Williams nor Jackson could find them at times.
As Kelly said, it’s all 11 players working together. Individual stats seem to confirm this. Why did Caden average 1.5 ypc more than Josh?
Also, Caden Durham was the third leading RB in the SEC with 257 Receiving yards at nearly 10 yards per catch. Josh finished 4th at 247 yds.
Caden played through a foot injury this year which slowed him down during the back half of the year. The true root cause was Red Zone running and Caleb Jackson not developing. Holes were there based on Caden’s results, but neither Williams nor Jackson could find them at times.
As Kelly said, it’s all 11 players working together. Individual stats seem to confirm this. Why did Caden average 1.5 ypc more than Josh?
Posted on 12/18/24 at 5:13 pm to The Real Keyser Soze
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RB patience, waiting for holes to open, etc.. Pass blocking seemed good for the most part
It didn’t matter who the back was, we haven’t been able to run the middle in ages & certainly not this year.
Durham does not have a vision problem, yet only successful runs all looked like some sort of stretch play.
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