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Heard on the radio: NIH pays for most medication R&D.

Posted on 12/7/24 at 4:23 pm
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 4:23 pm
Found this article. There are others as well. I guess I always assumed pharmacuticals were doing majority of paying for their R&D, and that is why drugs cost so much.

Are we paying twice for pharmacuticals?

Tax dollars paid for every drug 2010-2019
Posted by BabyTac
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2008
15641 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 4:25 pm to
I don’t take drugs so not worried about it.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
33898 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 5:49 pm to
I really hope that DOGE can bring a lot of this shite to light. Interesting timeline though since that is right around the time after Obamacare was passed.
Posted by thegambler
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
2021 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 5:57 pm to
NIH. R&D.

You Russian? 13?

Posted by Diseasefreeforall
Member since Oct 2012
7129 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 6:04 pm to
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Found this article. There are others as well. I guess I always assumed pharmacuticals were doing majority of paying for their R&D, and that is why drugs cost so much.

I've been investing in clinical-stage drug companies for well over a decade and I can tell you for sure that companies pay for almost all R&D costs.

A big reason drugs are so expensive in the US is because socialized healthcare systems aggressively cap drug prices so all of us here in America are subsidizing the drug costs for the rest of the world by paying for hundreds of millions to billions of dollars worth of R&D expenses for each drug.
Posted by Montezuma
Member since Apr 2013
3659 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 6:05 pm to
Ever since corporations lobbied to end government R&D and have private do it , it has been this way. The fact we fund a lot of it and We The People get boned since they keep the patent is just another example of using capitalism explicitly against us.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
135355 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 6:21 pm to
quote:

NIH. R&D.

You Russian? 13?



You only get so much space for your title. If you don't know what those stand for, just ask.
Posted by Shiftyplus1
Regret nothing that made you smile
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 6:37 pm to
Since most of the medicine used throughout the world was a result of education in US medical schools and research in US pharmaceutical companies, and all of that is paid for with American tax dollars, isn't it just HILARIOUS when other countries brag about their socialized medical coverage?
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
49559 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 6:41 pm to
NIH takes cleaning up the inner cities seriously. Cool to see him pay for something like this.
Posted by CalcuttaTigah
Member since Jul 2009
969 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:28 pm to
This is actually a really good point I’ve never heard before if actually true. Makes sense.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:44 pm to
quote:

Found this article. There are others as well. I guess I always assumed pharmacuticals were doing majority of paying for their R&D, and that is why drugs cost so much.

There are drugs that are funded by research by the NIH, but that’s not true for the majority of pharma research.
Posted by Diseasefreeforall
Member since Oct 2012
7129 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:47 pm to
quote:

This is actually a really good point I’ve never heard before if actually true. Makes sense.


It's crazy. I'm currently invested in a company with an approved cancer treatment that is reimbursed $182,500 for each cycle of the treatment in the US and only $20,000 in Germany, with the UK being about the same.

It's why drug companies from all over the world make the US market via an FDA approval their number one target, because they can make money here and recoup development costs if the drug is approved. Otherwise many drugs wouldn't be developed.
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
17038 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:48 pm to
A reckoning is coming for these big pharma fricks
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
15570 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:49 pm to
quote:

is just another example of using capitalism explicitly against us.


*crony capitalism
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11399 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 8:00 pm to
Yes, pharmaceutical companies either need to foot more of the bill for basic research or we need to reduce patent lifetimes or otherwise re-imburse the taxpayers on the back end.
Posted by Tarps99
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Member since Apr 2017
11384 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 8:35 pm to
Couldn’t we make R&D for drug a business expense and any money spent on R&D is accounted as a loss to P&L so essentially, R&D becomes a tax haven where money spent there goes as a loss against future and current profits.

I saw somewhere that is how some international companies have to operate since their country’s tax rates are so high they have to spend every dollar they make back into the business as equipment, capital projects, or wages, so their effective tax rate on profits is zero because they made no money on paper.

Companies would still need to pay payroll taxes like social security, Medicare, their share of federal individual income taxes.
This post was edited on 12/7/24 at 8:40 pm
Posted by rs_la
Member since Mar 2023
202 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:17 pm to
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A big reason drugs are so expensive in the US is because socialized healthcare systems aggressively cap drug prices so all of us here in America are subsidizing the drug costs for the rest of the world by paying for hundreds of millions to billions of dollars worth of R&D expenses for each drug.


Been screaming about this for years and the vast majority are too daff to get it. Maybe taxing both medical IP and US manufactured pharma outbound heavily would get the rest of the planet to pay their fair share.
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