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LED lights suck. Bring back incandescent

Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:59 am
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10310 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:59 am
We were all sold that the LED lights would last forever, which in theory is true, but the drivers and other components are shite. LEDs are reportedly bad for your health and retinas, which makes sense.

Posted by HillabeeBaw
Hillabee Reservoir
Member since May 2023
2762 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 6:02 am to
Just changed out my two head light assemblys on my 09 Tacoma. Truck looks brand new now. And i went back with original incadescent bulbs.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
69405 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 6:07 am to
Incandescents suck. Bring back oil lamps.
Posted by Horsemeat
Truckin' somewhere in the US
Member since Dec 2014
15089 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 6:09 am to
100% despise led lights - especially when idiots can't rub their two brain cells together to dim their high beams when there's other vehicles on the road.
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
13917 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 6:40 am to
Oil lamps suck. Bring back tallow candles.
Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
14735 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 6:43 am to
Tallow candles suck, bring back the light from the moon
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 6:44 am
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
18985 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 6:52 am to
Moonlight sucks, but don’t bring back Debby Boone singing you light up my life.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
33711 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 7:00 am to
quote:

Incandescents suck. Bring back oil lamps.



Go back even further

Posted by SmokinBurger
Bayou Self
Member since Sep 2021
493 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 7:07 am to
Haven’t had one brand of led bulbs in the house. Last to the rating that is described on the box (>10 yrs). Every single one has started blinked or not provided the proper out put and had to be replaced.
Posted by Twincam
Member since Nov 2021
928 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 7:09 am to
Consumer bulbs for your house suck. The drivers are made so cheap, heat kills them.

Now for my truck, I love them. I don't like the rednecks who put them in their 97 F150 that scatters the light though.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 7:18 am
Posted by Hogbit
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2019
3091 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 7:32 am to
Kicked the hornet's nest
Posted by lsuoilengr
Member since Aug 2008
5302 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 7:38 am to
I rant about this all the time. I HATE LED and their low brow fans
Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
4277 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 7:41 am to
quote:

bad for your health and retinas, which makes sense.





it does?
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12570 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 7:47 am to
quote:

Haven’t had one brand of led bulbs in the house. Last to the rating that is described on the box (>10 yrs). Every single one has started blinked or not provided the proper out put and had to be replaced.

I have probably 30 of them that are going on ~10 years right now. Including 3-4 that are outside and have not been turned off (other than power outages) for like 8 years.

The problems are:
1. There is a pretty wide range of quality available in LED bulbs.
2. Many fixtures that were originally designed for incandescent bulbs simply aren’t really compatible with LED’s, largely because they don’t allow for sufficient heat dissipation.

If you buy the cheapest Walmart bulbs you can find and stick them in sealed recessed can fixtures, you’re going to have a very high failure rate. If you buy quality bulbs and stick them in fixtures with good ventilation, they should last a really long time.
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6054 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 7:51 am to
Nah, be a man, just use starlight.
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
11438 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 7:58 am to
Well I can't add any more progression backwards. You got it back to the beginning. I think.....but there was NO LIGHT at one time.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94649 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 8:07 am to
quote:

2. Many fixtures that were originally designed for incandescent bulbs simply aren’t really compatible with LED’s, largely because they don’t allow for sufficient heat dissipation.


I generally replace with LEDs when I can, but can you unpack this logic for me? I get that the drivers can get hot. I've handled LED wafer lights that had been on for hours and they're certainly not "cool" to the touch, but compared to incandescent? Barely a blip.

If a fixture can handle a 60 to 100 watt bulb's heat, what in your mind is the heat challenge from the LED?
Posted by subotic
Member since Dec 2012
2759 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 8:15 am to
Because it doesn't matter how hot the fixture gets, it's about how hot the bulb gets. If an LED bulb is sitting in a can with no heat transfer, they tend to burn out because the electronics that drive the bulb are fragile.

Not only that, but those components are also susceptible to damage from power supply surges as well.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12570 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 8:37 am to
quote:

If a fixture can handle a 60 to 100 watt bulb's heat, what in your mind is the heat challenge from the LED?

The heat doesn’t damage the fixture. It damages the LED bulb.

They (generally) don’t get nearly as hot as equivalent incandescents, but incandescent bulbs aren’t nearly as sensitive to temperature either. The electronic components in LED bulbs cannot withstand very high temperatures without failing.

The bulb has to be able to dissipate the heat from the driver. Part of the problem is that LED bulbs are mostly built in formats that were not originally designed to accommodate LED bulbs. Ideally you would have some sort of heat sink, but manufacturers have to work within the form factor of the particular bulb type in order to ensure compatibility with existing fixtures.

As an example - a regular A19 light bulb has a specific shape. It’s not just the threaded connection at the base that has to match; it’s also the overall profile of the light. Otherwise the bulb might not fit. Hue bulbs, for example, won’t fit in every light fixture. But most LED replacements will.

So they have to get creative with how to dissipate heat. My understanding is that most of the heat from the driver in an A19 bulb is dissipated through the base/socket. That’s fine as long as the base is ventilated. But if it’s in a sealed fixture or a fixture with very little airflow, the heat can’t go anywhere. Heat builds up, temp goes up, and the driver fails.

Recessed can lights are probably the most common offender, and often need to be replaced/retrofitted to be compatible with LEDs. Generally something like a table lamp is going to have plenty of ventilation. Track light fixtures are more hit-and-miss depending on design. Ideally the fixture has holes/vents on the back side that will allow airflow. Newer fixtures that are actually designed for LED lights will provide greater reliability, because they account for the need to dissipate heat.

But again, buying quality bulbs makes a big difference as well.
Posted by Cplauche1994
Member since Aug 2024
51 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 8:44 am to
Or when they have LED head lights and then squat their truck so instead of the beam hitting the road, it hits your eyes.
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