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Mental health improvements on TRT?
Posted on 11/25/24 at 10:25 am
Posted on 11/25/24 at 10:25 am
Got my testosterone test results back at 385. Haven't spoken with my doctor yet about the results, but I saw where anything below 300 is low. Im 33, 5'9", 180lbs, around 13.5-14.5% body fat (hand tested), lifting weights 4 days a week, running 15 miles a week, biking 15-20 miles a week, also pickup soccer once a week. 2 weeks ago I hit a 10k PR of 53 minutes. I quit drinking alcohol in April and have been eating very clean since than (keto for 3 months then slowly incorporated good carbs back into my diet).
0 problem with drive in both the bedroom and gym. But I have been having alot of anxiety and depression lately which I read can be symptoms of low T. I did go through some pretty traumatic stuff last year and most likely have some undiagnosed PTSD from it, but i have never in my life been anxious or depressed before. My cholesterol also came back outside of normal ranges (225 total, 39 HDL, LDL 162) despite my good diet and workout routine, which I read can correlate with low T.
I know a bunch of guys on here have gotten on TRT, did you wait until your levels were below 300 before pursuing it? I know my levels will only get lower as I age, so is it worth looking into getting on now or waiting some years? What were the effects on your mental health?
0 problem with drive in both the bedroom and gym. But I have been having alot of anxiety and depression lately which I read can be symptoms of low T. I did go through some pretty traumatic stuff last year and most likely have some undiagnosed PTSD from it, but i have never in my life been anxious or depressed before. My cholesterol also came back outside of normal ranges (225 total, 39 HDL, LDL 162) despite my good diet and workout routine, which I read can correlate with low T.
I know a bunch of guys on here have gotten on TRT, did you wait until your levels were below 300 before pursuing it? I know my levels will only get lower as I age, so is it worth looking into getting on now or waiting some years? What were the effects on your mental health?
Posted on 11/25/24 at 10:56 am to BRbornandraised
Before TRT I had massive brain fog, trouble focusing on a task, depression to the point that I just DGAF about anything and DGAF that I DGAF, I had "anger issues" and was always irritable to the point that it concerned me, just generally in a sour mood all the time.
Mental health was one of the first dramatic improvements I noticed on TRT as all of those resolved and pretty quickly too - seems like it was within two or three weeks.
I started in my late 50s and my level was mid-300, now at 62 I'm running > 1500
Mental health was one of the first dramatic improvements I noticed on TRT as all of those resolved and pretty quickly too - seems like it was within two or three weeks.
I started in my late 50s and my level was mid-300, now at 62 I'm running > 1500
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 10:58 am
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:12 am to Don Quixote
Thank you for the response. I have been having similar anger issues with big emotional reactions to things that should not bother me. Like the way my wife will say things to me I will perceive as a dig or attitude that sets me off and then looking back on it, I have no idea why it upset me so much.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:18 pm to Don Quixote
I’m 72 and test is 489. TRT may drive me up to 1000+ and wonder if it may cause heart issues. Doc says he can start poking me if I was interested.
Wow, at 1500, you must be getting swole if working out daily….
Wow, at 1500, you must be getting swole if working out daily….
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:57 pm to Yewkindewit
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Doc says he can start poking me if I was interested.
Huh.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 4:09 pm to BRbornandraised
Sounds like you got burnout. And yes you’re a good candidate for a TRT just to look to “optimize” yourself. Your story is almost identical to mine when I started.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 8:52 pm to Shepherd88
On test cyp since July. Was 140 ml a week now 200. Everything is better. Test was 307 when started. 50 yo 6' 221. Retired Navy. Disabled vet
Posted on 11/25/24 at 10:18 pm to BRbornandraised
33 is young to get on TRT for rest of life. Not saying it is not an option, there are some ways to try boosting it before getting on TRT.
You are knocking a bunch out already by eating right, working out and quitting alcohol. Make sure you are taking Zinc, Vit D, Ashwagandha, Boron, Magnesium.
If you go the TRT route though, you will enjoy the ride.
You are knocking a bunch out already by eating right, working out and quitting alcohol. Make sure you are taking Zinc, Vit D, Ashwagandha, Boron, Magnesium.
If you go the TRT route though, you will enjoy the ride.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 12:59 am to BRbornandraised
Look through your medical records to see if you have a prior T level, that might give you an idea if you've decline or not.
Stress can lower it, so can overtraining. Lot of factors involved. Stress and irritability could be causing some issues, or Low T could be causing the irritability. It's hard to know which came first or what is causing what until you start pulling some levers to see how things react.
Sleep can have a dramatic effect on T levels. I've seen some reports where acute sleep deprivation can bring T down by 25% or so. It also affects training response, muscle protein synthesis, etc. Prolonged sleep issues just put you on a slow spiral downward and the problems exacerbate each other. Make sure sleep is good. Maybe a sleep study (very easy to do these days) to see if there is sleep apnea and to ascertain how much sleep you're getting. If you're a 7hr per night type of person and now you're barely getting 5hr per night, that can affect things.
I believe your T levels are around the 35th percentile, roughly. So they aren't super bad. Many men are in that zone and feel just fine. However, many men are 100ng/dL higher and for them that is low. Everyone's set point is different.
Look at lifestyle, like sleep, and see if there's an easy fix in there. If you were to fix something like sleep, you'd see an improvement in your life pretty quickly and if you're willing to pay for the labs, your labs will reflect better sleep very quickly.
Good luck.
Stress can lower it, so can overtraining. Lot of factors involved. Stress and irritability could be causing some issues, or Low T could be causing the irritability. It's hard to know which came first or what is causing what until you start pulling some levers to see how things react.
Sleep can have a dramatic effect on T levels. I've seen some reports where acute sleep deprivation can bring T down by 25% or so. It also affects training response, muscle protein synthesis, etc. Prolonged sleep issues just put you on a slow spiral downward and the problems exacerbate each other. Make sure sleep is good. Maybe a sleep study (very easy to do these days) to see if there is sleep apnea and to ascertain how much sleep you're getting. If you're a 7hr per night type of person and now you're barely getting 5hr per night, that can affect things.
I believe your T levels are around the 35th percentile, roughly. So they aren't super bad. Many men are in that zone and feel just fine. However, many men are 100ng/dL higher and for them that is low. Everyone's set point is different.
Look at lifestyle, like sleep, and see if there's an easy fix in there. If you were to fix something like sleep, you'd see an improvement in your life pretty quickly and if you're willing to pay for the labs, your labs will reflect better sleep very quickly.
Good luck.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 6:22 am to BRbornandraised
I was the same age as you when I started. Loss of brain fog and improvements to mood were the first things I noticed. I was at 250 or so. Currently at 1300 right now and feeling great.
If that's your level when you have good diet, exercise, and drinking habits I wouldn't hesitate to pursue it. I had gotten to a point to where I was always moody, aching, didn't have any horsepower as far as house/yardwork goes, etc. It fixed all of that.
If that's your level when you have good diet, exercise, and drinking habits I wouldn't hesitate to pursue it. I had gotten to a point to where I was always moody, aching, didn't have any horsepower as far as house/yardwork goes, etc. It fixed all of that.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 9:19 am to BRbornandraised
IMO, everyone over 30 should be on TRT.
Incredible difference when your levels are 1200-1500 instead of 300-400
Incredible difference when your levels are 1200-1500 instead of 300-400
Posted on 11/28/24 at 2:20 pm to WaydownSouth
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IMO, everyone over 30 should be on TRT.
Incredible difference when your levels are 1200-1500 instead of 300-400
Not everyone should be on a shot weekly or twice a week for the rest of their lives. Humanity has failed as a species at that point.
I just turned 40 and though I haven't tested my levels, I can tell just by symptoms I would benefit greatly from it but again, I can't bring myself to take a shot for the rest of my life like that.
I would 100% change my mind if the treatment changed. I'm considering giving enclomephine citrate a shot. It has a lot of mixed responses though.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 3:37 pm to TigerFanatic99
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just turned 40 and though I haven't tested my levels, I can tell just by symptoms I would benefit greatly from it but again, I can't bring myself to take a shot for the rest of my life like that
I'm 43 and even though I can't stand needles, I'm still going to get my levels check and look in to TRT. I can't stand how I feel anymore. Just no drive or desire to do anything. I'm over it.
This post was edited on 11/28/24 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 11/28/24 at 4:07 pm to onelochevy
It’s a 1/2” needle or less. Literally hurts less than a damn mosquito. Don’t let them stick you with those dumbass 1.5” harpoons.
If needles are that big of an issue, the compounded cream applied to the balls works well too.
If needles are that big of an issue, the compounded cream applied to the balls works well too.
This post was edited on 11/28/24 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 11/28/24 at 4:15 pm to Uncle JackD
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It’s a 1/2” needle or less. Literally hurts less than a damn mosquito. Don’t let them stick you with those dumbass 1.5” harpoons.
Not really the test needles that get me. It's the blood work that I can't stand
Posted on 11/28/24 at 5:15 pm to onelochevy
Ah… well that needs to be done regardless of TRT or not, unfortunately. I’m a bitch when it comes to lab draws too, I get sweaty palmed quickly. Something about that damn needle sitting in my vein that freaks me out
Posted on 11/28/24 at 8:58 pm to Uncle JackD
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Ah… well that needs to be done regardless of TRT or not, unfortunately. I’m a bitch when it comes to lab draws too, I get sweaty palmed quickly. Something about that damn needle sitting in my vein that freaks me out
Went to the ER Monday night with severe abdominal pain and ended up having my gallbladder removed Tuesday afternoon. The couple days I was in the hospital I had more blood drawn than I ever have in my life, lol. Every morning and 4 am, plus getting stuck for my IV. Got me over my fear a little bit so I may go to a local clinic next week since I'll be off work anyway recovering
This post was edited on 11/28/24 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 11/29/24 at 6:49 am to TigerFanatic99
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Not everyone should be on a shot weekly or twice a week for the rest of their lives. Humanity has failed as a species at that point. I just turned 40 and though I haven't tested my levels, I can tell just by symptoms I would benefit greatly from it but again, I can't bring myself to take a shot for the rest of my life like that. I would 100% change my mind if the treatment changed. I'm considering giving enclomephine citrate a shot. It has a lot of mixed responses though.
There is more benefit than risk to having higher testosterone levels. Especially as we age.
The American government has failed us. Half the country is already on ozempic. What will TRT hurt?
Next time you go grocery shopping look around and watch for all the folks 65-70 that struggle to get in/out of their car or to load up a case of water.
Then imagine if they were on 200mg a week of test and lifted weights regularly how different they could live
Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:01 am to WaydownSouth
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imagine if they lifted weights regularly how different they could live
Posted on 11/29/24 at 9:51 pm to NewOrleansBlend
Use 27g .5 needles & 19g to draw. Super easy. Don't use the 23g 1.5 you get with kit. Inject in shoulder or top of leg. No pain but then again I've got full sleeve tattoos & half leg sleeve. VA even sends me the test.
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