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Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:55 am
Posted by The Baker
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:55 am


Or any of you idiots on here. Post your address and I’ll send you a candle
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:18 am to
Will you send me some bitcoin and forego the candle?
Posted by The Baker
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:21 am to
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Will you send me some bitcoin and forego the candle?

That depends, have you ever uttered the words “bitcoin has no intrinsic value” ?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 12:05 pm to
Top signal
Posted by TigerTatorTots
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 12:25 pm to
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 1:01 pm to
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“bitcoin has no intrinsic value” ?
I'm uttering them now - does that count?
Posted by TripleBarrelBluff1
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 1:10 pm to
What flavor is the candle?
Posted by dagrippa
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 1:24 pm to
the minute you buy this a big dip is coming
Posted by The Baker
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 1:31 pm to
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I'm uttering them now - does that count?

You get a candle. Post your address and i’ll overnight it.
Posted by The Baker
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 1:32 pm to
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the minute you buy this a big dip is coming


At this point, it could flash crash 90% and I’ll still be right.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 1:43 pm to
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That depends, have you ever uttered the words “bitcoin has no intrinsic value” ?



Maybe a longer answer than you want.

I question the end result of it becoming a commonly accepted currency. Currently, it is an "investment" with no asset or income revenue used to determine its value. It could be this is an archaic way of thinking, or it's just something most crypto investors are willing to risk changing over time.

There is currently very little you can do with bitcoin itself without converting it to cash. You've made money buying it and I don't have any animosity about it. Every discussion I've had with people who are all in on crypto currency can't articulate how you convert crypto into a common payment method, and it is still way too volatile to be considered a currency. Until the volatility flattens out for the course of a few years to a decade, I don't see it being an appealing currency for businesses that need stable and predictable income.

Another pseudo fantasy I see crypto bros touting is that it's a "decentralized" currency. I'd say a healthy chunk of bitcoin ownership is through the market at this point, and those assets are sizeable by the government. So it already violated one of its core tenets. The common person doesn't understand nor have the desire to create a digital wallet, remember the number of passwords required, understand how to operate a digital wallet and all that goes with it for it to become a widely accepted currency.

I work in the credit card side of the world, and the amount of infrastructure required to securely and quickly process a payment is where I have seen very little movement or interest and it is the absolutely the most critical part of accepting a form of electronic payment.

I'm not a finance guru, nor do I own a time machine to see what's going on in the future. I simply have doubts about the level of acceptance it will gain.

I do hold some of my brokerage in a Bitcoin ETF for what its worth.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 2:24 pm to
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There is currently very little you can do with bitcoin itself without converting it to cash.
Even gold has a knowable intrinsic value for industrial uses. It trades at a massive premium to that, and has for eons, so perhaps that's where bitcoin ends up?

I still can't see a good reason why one coin over another.

I still can't see any relevant application of blockchain in our daily lives.

I still see sky high transaction costs and complexity.

I'm not arguing against it as a fun speculative tool.
Posted by TripleBarrelBluff1
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 2:28 pm to
I drank the Kool-Aid early on in the early 10's and have since come to have many of the same thoughts. I just don't see it ever taking over the way the true believers hope. Doesn't mean I don't want to make money with it while I can.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 2:30 pm
Posted by The Baker
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 2:37 pm to
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Even gold has a knowable intrinsic value for industrial uses.


Yeah thats why gold was a store of value 4 millennia ago.
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:04 pm to
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Yeah thats why gold was a store of value 4 millennia ago.



Gold was a store of value 4000 years ago because people are stupid.

It’s okay to admit that and still make money in crypto.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:18 pm to
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It’s okay to admit that and still make money in crypto.


This is essentially where I'm at. You can make money at it. But the drivers behind why it goes up or down seems even more like guesswork than picking conventional stocks.

I'd love nothing more than to see the current monetary system uprooted, I just have a lot of skepticism about crypto taking over the monetary system.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:28 pm to
Bro slackster grow your balls back lol

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It’s okay to admit that and still make money in crypto

You would’ve never said this back in 2021 to ancient tiger
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:03 pm to
Local Top Very Soon.
Posted by spaghettioeauxs
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Posted on 11/21/24 at 11:53 am to
You’re asking for utilization of Bitcoin and other crypto. What about in countries rife with corruption in the Middle East or South America? You would rather take your chances with the government owned banks where your money can be seized at any moment than be able to secure your funds on a decentralized blockchain? If you’re skeptical of authority, you should believe in btc.
Posted by The Baker
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Posted on 11/21/24 at 1:18 pm to
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