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Jeffrey Sachs explains how the US and NATO provoked war in Ukraine

Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:33 am
Posted by Seldom Seen
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Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:33 am
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:34 am to
everything prior to trump: UNIPARTY WARMONGERS


prove me wrong.

eta why should it come as a surprise how upset they get about the right to kill babies when they did that to brown babies in other countries by the millions over the last 30 years.
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 10:37 am
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:35 am to
Thank you for posting this. Needed background for anyone considering this issue.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
25722 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:35 am to
In before “Akshully, it was never a commitment in writing…”

This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 10:37 am
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:37 am to
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
31441 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:37 am to
I was told it was “unprovoked”
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:38 am to
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
22111 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:42 am to
quote:

In before “Akshully, it was never a commitment in writing…”



Lol... Yup. This has been discussed here many times and people try that ridiculous defense.
I remember when Putin invaded Ukraine and all I was hearing was the bullshite on tv. I wanted to hear the other side's view. I watched several Putin speeches and began searching his reasoning. Lo and behold, it's all there! It's just not reported to the American public, ya have to go to independent media and search online.

It was hard to accept that my idea of our government was inaccurate and how badly they use the MSM to lie to us.
The more I looked, the more I found demonstrating our federal government jerking us around.
All folks have to do is a little due diligence.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
25722 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:46 am to
quote:

It was hard to accept that my idea of our government was inaccurate and how badly they use the MSM to lie to us.


Mark Twain is a highly underrated observer of the human condition.


Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
39633 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:47 am to
That all may be true, but Putin overplayed his hand, managed to sway political support to a corrupt regime, with a ragtag army, in a way only a buffoon with zero political instincts could muster. Now he's pulled another stroke of genius inviting psycho North Koreans to the party. Ukraine was a buffer zone for NATO to protect Poland and the Czech and Slovakian flanks. Putin was never going to succeed, so now we have stalemate, until Trump swoops in and resets the table.
Posted by La Place Mike
West Florida Republic
Member since Jan 2004
31007 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:48 am to
Does anyone notice anything interesting about the timeline? A stretch of years are missing between 2014 to 2021.
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
10976 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:49 am to
Oliver Stone's Ukraine on Fire and Becoming Ukraine are great documentaries that provide this back ground.

But we also have the CIA admitting to 12 secret forward ops bases, over 26 bio labs, blowing up nordstream, and the 2014 color revolution toppling Yanukovych. If I was Putin I'd have been pissed as well.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66986 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:52 am to
Very well stated. Someone described that country as a giant CIA base. Imagine if Russia or China did the same things in Mexico.
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Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
25722 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:54 am to
Oh, look. Lindsay Graham saying something really stupid.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
22111 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:55 am to
quote:

Very well stated. Someone described that country as a giant CIA base. Imagine if Russia or China did the same things in Mexico


Agreed. I've staed this many many times in discussions here and folks just don't get it.
The answer is obvious.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
120888 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:01 am to
If we don’t stop Putin now, he’ll be in London within 5 years
Posted by Von
Wichita Falls, TX
Member since Feb 2019
2665 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:01 am to
His interview with Tucker earlier this year was great. Details, lots of details.

For a smart man he spent a LOT of time being confused by the "stupid" or "bad" decisions coming out of DC.
Posted by F73ME
SE LA
Member since May 2018
915 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:01 am to
Anyone wanting way more detail on the Ukraine war situation should look into the martyrmade podcast episode titled "thoughts on ukraine"

It backs up everything in this short video and adds wayyyyy more detail to the situation
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Member since Feb 2008
24180 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:03 am to
600,000 dead Ukrainian men because US leadership wanted to frick around.

My second wife may come from Ukraine there has to be a lot of choices over there.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42119 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:26 am to
And why should anyone believe this guy?
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