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My 2 biggest takeaways from the Brian Kelly so far at LSU
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:10 pm
1.Attempting to stem the bleeding can cause more harm than simply accepting the situation and starting anew. The introduction of NIL and the transfer portal seems to have exacerbated some cultural issues, leading to an excessive consumption of resources by players. Kelly's cautious approach to roster construction appears to have backfired. Last year, our defense was among the worst in college football, and yet, a year on, many of the same players are starting. The inner workings of last year's events are unclear, but it's known that more than one starter considered transferring, which may have diverted Kelly's attention from improving the team to preserving its depth. It's clear as day that NIL $ were spent on keeping people here that were part of the poor defense because Kelly didnt have a clear replacement lined up for them yet, and they were threatening to go. Therefore, money on possible replacements was blown on them.
LSU has the 2nd largest NIL endowment in college football, and the roster does not reflect this.
2.Living in 'Next Year U' is no longer an option. Those who focus on next year's recruiting class and beyond are dwelling on the past. This simply isn't college football anymore. Despite the potential of this class, Kelly must learn to dominate in the present. The incoming recruits could decommit, transfer after their freshman year, or fail to live up to less recruited peers. It's crucial for him to leverage the transfer portal more effectively. It's hard to overlook the explicit statement (possibly from Sloan) expressing satisfaction with Nuss and a lack of intent to introduce competition, though they were open to adding depth. In the SEC, Nick Saban, Les Miles, and Ed Orgeron understood the importance of competition. Joe Burrow's emergence would have been impossible if Orgeron had solely relied on Myles Brennan and dismissed the idea of competition. Also, we have more competition than just Alabama. The pieces are never going to "align" as our own conference will always be littered up and down the Top 10 recruiting class list with us. Instead, we must be able to capitalize on down years of other schools and have some fortune. Make no mistake about it, Jalen Milroe is one of the lesser QBs Alabama will have with Kalen there.
LSU has the 2nd largest NIL endowment in college football, and the roster does not reflect this.
2.Living in 'Next Year U' is no longer an option. Those who focus on next year's recruiting class and beyond are dwelling on the past. This simply isn't college football anymore. Despite the potential of this class, Kelly must learn to dominate in the present. The incoming recruits could decommit, transfer after their freshman year, or fail to live up to less recruited peers. It's crucial for him to leverage the transfer portal more effectively. It's hard to overlook the explicit statement (possibly from Sloan) expressing satisfaction with Nuss and a lack of intent to introduce competition, though they were open to adding depth. In the SEC, Nick Saban, Les Miles, and Ed Orgeron understood the importance of competition. Joe Burrow's emergence would have been impossible if Orgeron had solely relied on Myles Brennan and dismissed the idea of competition. Also, we have more competition than just Alabama. The pieces are never going to "align" as our own conference will always be littered up and down the Top 10 recruiting class list with us. Instead, we must be able to capitalize on down years of other schools and have some fortune. Make no mistake about it, Jalen Milroe is one of the lesser QBs Alabama will have with Kalen there.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:19 pm to Ebridg3
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LSU has the 2nd largest NIL endowment in college football,
Is this true?
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:24 pm to TexasTiger08
They are definitely top 5.
People on here will cite LSU's endowment is low compared to other SEC schools but that's not where the NIL money comes from. Endowment has nothing to do with it. We are definitely not getting our money's worth right now.
BK is certainly part of the blame but I think it goes much deeper. I will again say the issue is Nader's replacement. I hope someone in LSU admin sees this. Name me any impact true freshman you've seen on LSU's roster in years since Nader retired. The fact of the matter is HS recruiting has absolutely plummeted since Nader left and LSU is not getting the properly evaluated talent with killer freshman who can play day 1. This was very common through Nader's reign at LSU. The talent evaluations have been terrible consistently. They're getting highly ranked players but they don't transition so the scouting has been bad. Can you say it's coaching? Possibly. We didn't have a problem identifying talent under mediocre talent developers like O and Miles though so something has to give.
When Nader retired it left a massive void at LSU and I don't think we've recovered since. He was the most underrated behind the scenes guy who propelled our success.
People on here will cite LSU's endowment is low compared to other SEC schools but that's not where the NIL money comes from. Endowment has nothing to do with it. We are definitely not getting our money's worth right now.
BK is certainly part of the blame but I think it goes much deeper. I will again say the issue is Nader's replacement. I hope someone in LSU admin sees this. Name me any impact true freshman you've seen on LSU's roster in years since Nader retired. The fact of the matter is HS recruiting has absolutely plummeted since Nader left and LSU is not getting the properly evaluated talent with killer freshman who can play day 1. This was very common through Nader's reign at LSU. The talent evaluations have been terrible consistently. They're getting highly ranked players but they don't transition so the scouting has been bad. Can you say it's coaching? Possibly. We didn't have a problem identifying talent under mediocre talent developers like O and Miles though so something has to give.
When Nader retired it left a massive void at LSU and I don't think we've recovered since. He was the most underrated behind the scenes guy who propelled our success.
This post was edited on 11/10/24 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:25 pm to Ebridg3
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LSU has the 2nd largest NIL endowment in college football, and the roster does not reflect this.
This is how rumors get started

You see one person post this and you start to believe it
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:27 pm to CP3LSU25
If you don't believe it look it up elsewhere. They have other sources that say LSU spends in the top 5. It's not coincidence when you see the type of athletes that go through LSU's athletic program as a whole. They're not poor.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:29 pm to TexasTiger08
I can say this in few words: under Kelly the team marginally improved in year 1, but has since stalled. Not the trajectory we expected.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:34 pm to Ebridg3
Biggest takeaway is he has no idea how to have teams ready to go. Way too many double digits deficits to power 5 teams. A stupid amount.
Obviously opening game a problem as well.
Obviously opening game a problem as well.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:38 pm to Ebridg3
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Those who focus on next year's recruiting class and beyond are dwelling on the past.
What???? Those looking at the future are dwelling on the past????
This statement makes no sense on any level.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:47 pm to friendlyobservation
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If you don't believe it look it up elsewhere. They have other sources that say LSU spends in the top 5
Get your lies straight. Top 2 and top 5. Its probably top 10 next
Posted on 11/10/24 at 11:02 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
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What???? Those looking at the future are dwelling on the past????
This statement makes no sense on any level.
I think he's saying the NIL-portal era is a new paradigm. Looking at future prospects through the lens of recruiting classes is passe.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 11:06 pm to CP3LSU25
Ain’t no way - just think about how they were saying UT was paying o-linemen 70k a year or whatever it was and then you got A&M right behind them. Just can’t fathom lsu being 2nd. And there really isn’t a way to collectively track and itemize each NIL deal but that would be really cool information to know.
Posted on 11/10/24 at 11:12 pm to TigerGA
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I can say this in few words: under Kelly the team marginally improved in year 1, but has since stalled. Not the trajectory we expected.
“Marginally improved”
We went from having a losing record to 10 wins and won the SEC West
Posted on 11/10/24 at 11:58 pm to friendlyobservation
We aren't going to find another Sam Nadar and that's simply the truth. Probably 90% of people on this board don't even know who he is.
Sam was LSU football.
True Story:
Kenny Guillot, HC Parkview Baptist, was asked by this kid’s dad to babysit his son. He worked at the Exxon plant or something in Baton Rouge and moved from Australia with his oldest son while his wife sold his house etc. He said he couldn't leave him at home after school etc as he was wild as a March hare so he was hoping Kenny could find a job like manager or something for football team to keep him occupied. He also said he played rugby and could really kick the ball if that could help.
Kenny meets the kid and he explains he could probably be good at punting the ball as it was similar to what he did in rugby were he regularly punted the ball 40-50 yards. So Kenny says well go ahead and punt it. The kid says where do you want me to kick it. Kenny sees some flags on the ground from the band about 40 yards away and said kick it towards that flag. Bam he nails it, then another flag on other side of the field etc. The kid is Brad Wing.
Kenny calls San Nader and says at some point in the season you have to come see this kid.
Sam says “Kenny you know we don't give scholarships to punters”
Kenny responds, “ Well you are going to give this kid one or I am calling Nick (Saban)
Rest is History
3 legends in one story and the creation of the Australian punter. That's who Sam Nader was. Kenny Guillott as well, always made sure his players looked at LSU. (RIP) You don't get to LSU without going through Sam. You don't win 3 Nattys without Sam.
Sam was LSU football.
True Story:
Kenny Guillot, HC Parkview Baptist, was asked by this kid’s dad to babysit his son. He worked at the Exxon plant or something in Baton Rouge and moved from Australia with his oldest son while his wife sold his house etc. He said he couldn't leave him at home after school etc as he was wild as a March hare so he was hoping Kenny could find a job like manager or something for football team to keep him occupied. He also said he played rugby and could really kick the ball if that could help.
Kenny meets the kid and he explains he could probably be good at punting the ball as it was similar to what he did in rugby were he regularly punted the ball 40-50 yards. So Kenny says well go ahead and punt it. The kid says where do you want me to kick it. Kenny sees some flags on the ground from the band about 40 yards away and said kick it towards that flag. Bam he nails it, then another flag on other side of the field etc. The kid is Brad Wing.
Kenny calls San Nader and says at some point in the season you have to come see this kid.
Sam says “Kenny you know we don't give scholarships to punters”
Kenny responds, “ Well you are going to give this kid one or I am calling Nick (Saban)
Rest is History
3 legends in one story and the creation of the Australian punter. That's who Sam Nader was. Kenny Guillott as well, always made sure his players looked at LSU. (RIP) You don't get to LSU without going through Sam. You don't win 3 Nattys without Sam.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:05 am to CP3LSU25
Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:08 am to CP3LSU25
Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:30 am to Saunson69
Maybe the universities could collectively sue since NIL agreements are not solely the name image and likeness of the person alone but the university that said person is representing at the time of performance. Such that the university could, at its discretion, terminate any NIL deals due to a lack of performance that misrepresents the universities standards thereby tarnishing the NIL of said university. Thereby allowing the universities to collectively agree on an NIL cap, such that the free market does not dictate which school has the best football program.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 4:55 am to CP3LSU25
[img]This is how rumors get started [/img]
Someone on this board copied an accurate list about two months ago. I think LSU was three.
Someone on this board copied an accurate list about two months ago. I think LSU was three.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 6:14 am to friendlyobservation
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If you don't believe it
I don't, I doubt they are even second in the SEC
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look it up elsewhere.
You made the claim, it is up to you to prove it.
LSU's NIL collective is not even valued in the top 15 according to this article
https://www.on3.com/nil/news/on3s-top-15-nil-collectives-in-college-sports/
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They're not poor.
This is a correct statement.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 6:45 am to mdomingue
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You made the claim, it is up to you to prove it.
LSU's NIL collective is not even valued in the top 15 according to this article
This article is simply their estimate based on what info they could find.
Surely, you're only doing this for the sake of argument and don't actually believe missouri and Arkansas have top 10 collective but lsu doesn't?
I'd hope common sense kicked in before that.
Even then, who cares? The point still stands. It's been 3 years with Kelly and he simply hasn't adapted to NIL roster construction yet.
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 6:47 am
Posted on 11/11/24 at 6:52 am to Ebridg3
Lsu had a 4 million dollar roster last year. I don't know what it is this year but we not close to top 5. Oh.St has a 21 million dollar roster this year.
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