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Australia prime minister to introduce bill that would ban social media for under 16

Posted on 11/7/24 at 11:00 am
Posted by UFFan
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 11:00 am
They still haven't plotted out the age verification technology.

Anyway, if Labour passes this bill, I can hardly imagine how many votes it will cost them in future elections where the current 15 year olds are actually able to vote.

It's pretty clearly just a backdoor way to get the ID of everybody using social media.

And even aside from that, it's part of an annoying trend of coddling people way too long. You get forbidden from merely going on Instagram at 15 years and 364 days, and people wonder why you're not financially dependent just 2 years and one day later? All right, maybe 18 year olds were never financially independent in the first place, but there does seem to be a trend where the 28 year olds of today are about as financially independent as 18 year olds were 40 years ago. Something tells me that legislation like this is part of the reason for that. Interesting how Jonathon Haidt, who previously claimed to oppose all this coddling, has become the world's single biggest proponent of these laws.

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Posted by Cocotheape
Member since Aug 2015
4242 posts
Posted on 11/7/24 at 11:01 am to
This bill is terrible, they should ban social media for all ages
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
79825 posts
Posted on 11/7/24 at 11:01 am to
Government overreach is never the answer, and I think social media is the devil.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 11:02 am to
How about banning mainatream media and propogandized movies
Posted by UFFan
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Member since Aug 2016
2564 posts
Posted on 11/7/24 at 11:05 am to
This is basically an attempt to force people under 16 to only read government news propoganda rather than what they find on social media. (And to force people 16 and older to give away their ID in order to read something other than government news propoganda.)
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 11:08 am to
Just ban phones entirely for under 16s.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12544 posts
Posted on 11/7/24 at 11:10 am to
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You get forbidden from merely going on Instagram at 15 years and 364 days, and people wonder why you're not financially dependent just 2 years and one day later?

You know, I can honestly say I’ve never considered the link between Instagram access as a child and financial independence as a young adult.
Posted by TooFyeToFly
Atlanta, Georgia
Member since Nov 2012
2019 posts
Posted on 11/7/24 at 11:14 am to
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How about banning mainatream media and propogandized movies


So you want to get rid of the first amendment altogether
Posted by UFFan
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 11:18 am to
It's part of a general coddling trend that Haidt used to discuss before he suddenly did this weird 180 on social media. You can't go around banning people from playing outside without an adult until about 16 years old, going on social media until 16 years old, etc., and then expect people to have financial independence at 18 years old.
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8923 posts
Posted on 11/7/24 at 11:26 am to
You do know that TD is social media, right?
Posted by RedFoxx
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 11:44 am to
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Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 11:46 am to
Yet you are on it all day everyday..,,
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 11:51 am to
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Yet you are on it all day everyday..,,


I wouldn't classify this as social media.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 11/7/24 at 11:52 am to
I can deal with this.
Posted by AUViclic
Member since Jun 2013
160 posts
Posted on 11/7/24 at 12:07 pm to
Government gonna try their hand at raising kids since parents have failed.
Posted by CypressTrout10
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2016
3122 posts
Posted on 11/7/24 at 12:07 pm to
As a school administrator that hates government overreach, this is so badly needed. The freshmen in high school aren’t mentally mature enough to handle what happens on social media platforms and it causes so many issues.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 11/7/24 at 12:07 pm to
I'm not against this. There are so many studies out there showing how it affects the mind is similar to gambling, so either legalize gambling for the youths or ban social media for the youths.
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8923 posts
Posted on 11/7/24 at 12:16 pm to
You’d be wrong.
Posted by UFFan
Planet earth, Milky Way Galaxy
Member since Aug 2016
2564 posts
Posted on 11/7/24 at 12:29 pm to
Well, by that standard, something like sugar is probably as addictive as gambling. So would you support a ban on sugar until age 16?

The reason for gambling age laws isn’t really addiction or affects on the brain, but rather because they’d be losing their parent’s money that they might have taken from their parent’s wallet without permission.
This post was edited on 11/7/24 at 12:34 pm
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12544 posts
Posted on 11/7/24 at 12:40 pm to
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It's part of a general coddling trend that Haidt used to discuss before he suddenly did this weird 180 on social media. You can't go around banning people from playing outside without an adult until about 16 years old, going on social media until 16 years old, etc., and then expect people to have financial independence at 18 years old.

There’s a lot to unpack here, not the least of which is the fact that people are entering the full-time labor force later in life due to education trends.

That being said - with respect to coddling, specifically, I think you’re placing far too much emphasis on the government’s role, and not nearly enough on the parents’ roles. And it’s not nearly as simple as saying more freedom for children = better.

To put it another way, I would argue that the reason kids aren’t prepared for adulthood is because their parents failed to prepare them. I don’t think the government should be dictating something like kids’ usage of social media, but I also don’t think a lack of freedom is really the problem.

In many ways, a government ban on social media usage by young kids is just a symptom of a larger problem - parents abdicating their responsibilities. Lots of parents, maybe even most, agree that social media is bad for kids. But few are willing to outright ban their kids from it, due to fear of the resulting stigma. The government, by banning social media for kids, is taking on the burden actually parenting instead of.. well, the parents.

That type of mentality among parents, in my opinion, is a huge part of why kids are unprepared for adulthood. But it’s not really about freedoms/restrictions. It’s about the philosophy of parenthood, and the efforts parents make to ensure their children have the right skills, knowledge, etc. to survive on their own.
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