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?? WHY ?? QB Nuss.....Won't/Can't occasionally RUN?!? (Million $ Question)
Posted on 10/28/24 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 10/28/24 at 3:36 pm
With Ole Miss leading late in the 4th..... LSU in desperate 3rd & long on their own 20.......Nuss, out of options and for the first time, shocks himself, his coaches & everyone by scampering with poise/grace to convert critical 1st & survive to eventually win game.
After the game it was roundly discussed & resoundingly decided that an unexpected, surprising new option of Nuss occasionally running had been discovered. The discussion here and elsewhere in the media excitedly concurred that specific plays could even be designed for Nuss to run and thereby exploit, open & improve a desperately needed void in LSU's offense!!!
There were many open lanes, open field during the A&M game!
HOW and/or WHY WILL NUSS NOT RUN!?!?
After the game it was roundly discussed & resoundingly decided that an unexpected, surprising new option of Nuss occasionally running had been discovered. The discussion here and elsewhere in the media excitedly concurred that specific plays could even be designed for Nuss to run and thereby exploit, open & improve a desperately needed void in LSU's offense!!!
There were many open lanes, open field during the A&M game!
HOW and/or WHY WILL NUSS NOT RUN!?!?
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Posted on 10/28/24 at 3:39 pm to KidCreole
Depends on who you ask, but you'll usually get some variation of either "Because our backup QB's suck and he's been told not to run", or "he's too scared to run".
Not sure either is true. More likely it's just that, being the son of QB who's now a QB coach, he's been raised to look downfield for someone to throw to.
Not sure either is true. More likely it's just that, being the son of QB who's now a QB coach, he's been raised to look downfield for someone to throw to.
This post was edited on 10/28/24 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 10/28/24 at 3:41 pm to KidCreole
We have an outstanding track coach…..Why not have him work with Nuss in the off season on running … it couldn’t hurt
Posted on 10/28/24 at 3:42 pm to Dotarian
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Depends on who you ask, but you'll usually get some variation of either "Because our backup QB's suck and he's been told not to run", or "he's too scared to run".
Not sure either is true. More likely it's just that, being the son of QB who's now a QB coach, he's been raised to look downfield for someone to throw to.
I don't think those things have anything to do with it.
He's a gunslinger who thinks he's most dangerous getting the ball downfield. He's doing what he thinks is best.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 3:42 pm to KidCreole
He is capable of running.
I think he has strict instructions not to run because the coaches think that if he goes down we are screwed.
That is probably correct but he has to learn to pick and choose his spots to run.
I think he has strict instructions not to run because the coaches think that if he goes down we are screwed.
That is probably correct but he has to learn to pick and choose his spots to run.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 3:44 pm to Dotarian
Well both answers are actually right.
LSU really is dead in the water if Nuss goes down because of injury due to absolutely zero experience behind him and I’m sure Sloan or Kelly has told him to only run if you absolutely have to. Which apparently is never according to Nuss.
And I’m sure he’s had it beaten into his brain all of his life to always look to throw.
LSU really is dead in the water if Nuss goes down because of injury due to absolutely zero experience behind him and I’m sure Sloan or Kelly has told him to only run if you absolutely have to. Which apparently is never according to Nuss.
And I’m sure he’s had it beaten into his brain all of his life to always look to throw.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 3:45 pm to geauxpurple
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That is probably correct but he has to learn to pick and choose his spots to run.
Correct, like when the entire middle of the field is wide open. Make them keep a back in there and open up our receivers.
The only reason he ran the one time in the game is because we desperately needed the first down to try and get back in the game.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 3:50 pm to geauxpurple
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I think he has strict instructions not to run because the coaches think that if he goes down we are screwed.
a competitor can't help themselves and will run when needed.
I also don't know how much he listens to the coaches. He seems to check run plays to passes quite often and many times late in the play clock and we either burn a TO or get a delay sometimes. I say this bc there is no way our OC doesn't call more running plays...and I have seen CBK yelling at him to run the damn play in instances where we have burned a TO.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 3:51 pm to KidCreole
Nuss isn’t that athletic of a QB unfortunately. He can run but he can’t juke or throw very well on the run. It’s evident. But I agree he should run if he has a path. He definitely has the ability to run.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 3:52 pm to moneyg
I don't think those things have anything to do with it.
He's a gunslinger who thinks he's most dangerous getting the ball downfield. He's doing what he thinks is best.
Pretty selfish & stupid if that's the reason. He will have a useless Gun, No Ammo or Receivers to sling to if the Team does'nt win. Being selfish or scared to run - could have, perhaps/maybe effected the score of A&M game! But now......Nuss GREATLY reduced his VALUE & gunslinger days, playing time in NFL!!
Posted on 10/28/24 at 3:56 pm to geauxpurple
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He is capable of running. I think he has strict instructions not to run because the coaches think that if he goes down we are screwed. That is probably correct but he has to learn to pick and choose his spots to run.
If we are that thin ar QB then BK has failed us. I don’t think that is the reason at all though. Like others have said, it’s a mindset. He needs to understand he needs to take what he is given. The thing is IF he actually scrambled for yards, defenses will need to respect it which will in turn open more things up.
ETA: not even taking about design runs. Just scrambling for yards when there are gaping holes which is happening a lot.
This post was edited on 10/28/24 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 10/28/24 at 4:04 pm to KidCreole
I genuinely think it just does not cross his mind yet. It's similar to the reason why he throws ill-advised passes rather than throw it away. I think he just always believes that he can make a big play with his arm, and he at times gets overly confident in that thought that he never even looks at his other options such as throwing away or running. It's a great mindset to have so much confidence, but he'll continue learning that he needs to make some safe plays. This week was a really tough lesson on that for him. I expect to see him improve his decision making coming off the bye.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 4:05 pm to STEVED00
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If we are that thin ar QB then BK has failed us.
What the hell, dude? Last year, we had Daniels (a Heisman winner) and Nuss. Nuss was a team leader last year, they were grooming him to take over the team.
Next year we have the #1 QB recruit in the country coming in, and quite possibly still keeping Nuss.
The fact that we don't have 2 marquee QBs on this year's roster isn't failing anything, it's just normal. You bring in too many, and they will transfer out.
Hell, had Walker Howard stayed, he might have gotten his shot in the 4th quarter this weekend. Nuss was limping and starting to throw INTs.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 4:21 pm to KidCreole
I would say that he probably doesn’t really have great instincts for running. I’m not going to compare him to Daniels because that wouldn’t be fair. But if he could learn to take off when there was a clear opening, it would make him more dangerous. Burrow would run about 3-5 times a game on non designed runs when he had openings. It definitely didn’t hurt Burrow that he did that. And Nuss is plenty quick and athletic enough to run a few times a game.
Just take what they give you, move forward. It’s also safer than making panic throws like Nussmeier is wont to do.
Just take what they give you, move forward. It’s also safer than making panic throws like Nussmeier is wont to do.
This post was edited on 10/28/24 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 10/28/24 at 4:22 pm to STEVED00
I DISAGREE THAT NUSS IS GOOFY, UNCOORDINATED @ RUNNING!
While being chased numerous times by A&M rush.....Nuss performed, under great pressure, several amazing & coordinated "sideways + sudden back & forth" runs to escape being sacked!! And he also displayed, surprisingly, that he is definitely NOT slow!
Nuss can CLEARLY run! Practically EVERY ATHLETE on that field (offense/defense) CAN not only Run, but is incumbent + expected to run/gain all possible yards (after an interception, fumble, etc) ESPECIALLY INTO AN OPEN FIELD/ALLEY!
While being chased numerous times by A&M rush.....Nuss performed, under great pressure, several amazing & coordinated "sideways + sudden back & forth" runs to escape being sacked!! And he also displayed, surprisingly, that he is definitely NOT slow!
Nuss can CLEARLY run! Practically EVERY ATHLETE on that field (offense/defense) CAN not only Run, but is incumbent + expected to run/gain all possible yards (after an interception, fumble, etc) ESPECIALLY INTO AN OPEN FIELD/ALLEY!
Posted on 10/28/24 at 5:23 pm to KidCreole
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Pretty selfish & stupid if that's the reason. He will have a useless Gun, No Ammo or Receivers to sling to if the Team does'nt win. Being selfish or scared to run - could have, perhaps/maybe effected the score of A&M game! But now......Nuss GREATLY reduced his VALUE & gunslinger days, playing time in NFL!!
It’s not selfish. And most of the time he’s right.
His judgement at times may be off but the kid is competing. Calling him selfish is retarded.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 5:41 pm to Scoob
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What the hell, dude? Last year, we had Daniels (a Heisman winner) and Nuss. Nuss was a team leader last year, they were grooming him to take over the team. Next year we have the #1 QB recruit in the country coming in, and quite possibly still keeping Nuss.
Read the whole comment. I don’t buy that at all that Nuss is being told not to run at all bc of fear of him getting hurt.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 5:44 pm to KidCreole
Reminds me of JD5 his first year. Kid would not throw the deep ball…it was painful to watch. Them 2nd yr he let it fly.
Nuss needs to understand he can be just as affective as Burrow in his scrambling ability or pulling it on that zone read. This would also open up the run game and bigger windows to throw in.
Nuss needs to understand he can be just as affective as Burrow in his scrambling ability or pulling it on that zone read. This would also open up the run game and bigger windows to throw in.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 5:56 pm to KidCreole
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HOW and/or WHY WILL NUSS NOT RUN!?!?
It really is a moot point.
If it’s the coaches telling him not to run, that’s bad coaching. He needs to be able to run when the opportunity presents itself.
If it’s Nuss who is not running for whatever reason, he needs to be advised to run under certain conditions . Whether he’s afraid to run, or just focused downfield, he needs to recognize the importance of the defense knowing that he might run.
In my opinion, this is one of the significant issues with the offense. The other is scheme. We should be doing things that we are not doing. We are severely limiting our offense.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 6:19 pm to Tigerinthewoods
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"It really is a moot point - If it’s the coaches telling him not to run, that’s bad coaching. He needs to be able to run when the opportunity presents itself.
- If it’s Nuss who is not running for whatever reason, he needs to be advised to run under certain conditions . Whether he’s afraid to run, or just focused downfield, he needs to recognize the importance of the defense knowing that he might run. - In my opinion, this is one of the significant issues with the offense. The other is scheme. We should be doing things that we are not doing. We are severely limiting our offense."
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AFTER ALL THAT ABOVE.....you say the thread title is a - MOOT POINT!?
In your own words, reasons - you seem to say/prove that
IT IS THE ENTIRE/EXACT POINT, PROBLEM & POSSIBLE SOLUTION!
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"It really is a moot point - If it’s the coaches telling him not to run, that’s bad coaching. He needs to be able to run when the opportunity presents itself.
- If it’s Nuss who is not running for whatever reason, he needs to be advised to run under certain conditions . Whether he’s afraid to run, or just focused downfield, he needs to recognize the importance of the defense knowing that he might run. - In my opinion, this is one of the significant issues with the offense. The other is scheme. We should be doing things that we are not doing. We are severely limiting our offense."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
AFTER ALL THAT ABOVE.....you say the thread title is a - MOOT POINT!?
In your own words, reasons - you seem to say/prove that
IT IS THE ENTIRE/EXACT POINT, PROBLEM & POSSIBLE SOLUTION!
This post was edited on 10/28/24 at 6:24 pm
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