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Do people realize the fuel for EVs is Petroleum?
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:00 am
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:00 am
Petroleum fuels both oil and natural gas powered cars. EVs are powered through batteries which power from electricity which comes from turbines that power from Nat Gas. Some of the electricity may be from wind, solar, nuclear, hydro, but it is likely coming from natural gas.
I think vast majority of people get so caught up on thinking it's tree hugging when the sources of power for EVs is natural gas which is petroleum.
The difference is emissions. Gasoline in your car is sourced from a refinery which releases a lot of CO2. Then the refined oil goes to gas stations which ends up in your car which releases more emissions through combustion in your engine.
Natural gas turbines do have a good amount of emissions but not as much as refineries. Then when the electricity powers your battery, and your car runs on battery, there are no emissions.
Overall less CO2 emission in the battery process. I personally feel if EVs were the exact same price as gasoline powered cars, and there were many, many more charging stations, then I wouldn't mind getting one. I drive maybe 2-3, 4 hour trips a year, so range isn't as big of a deal to me. And yes I am conservative. I do not have land. I do not go mudding. I'm never in a situation where I would need anything but standard interstate/hwy/streets. I have no idea how an EV would fare if it were stuck in a muddy field if it'd do any better than 2 wheel drive.
I think vast majority of people get so caught up on thinking it's tree hugging when the sources of power for EVs is natural gas which is petroleum.
The difference is emissions. Gasoline in your car is sourced from a refinery which releases a lot of CO2. Then the refined oil goes to gas stations which ends up in your car which releases more emissions through combustion in your engine.
Natural gas turbines do have a good amount of emissions but not as much as refineries. Then when the electricity powers your battery, and your car runs on battery, there are no emissions.
Overall less CO2 emission in the battery process. I personally feel if EVs were the exact same price as gasoline powered cars, and there were many, many more charging stations, then I wouldn't mind getting one. I drive maybe 2-3, 4 hour trips a year, so range isn't as big of a deal to me. And yes I am conservative. I do not have land. I do not go mudding. I'm never in a situation where I would need anything but standard interstate/hwy/streets. I have no idea how an EV would fare if it were stuck in a muddy field if it'd do any better than 2 wheel drive.
This post was edited on 9/2/24 at 7:09 am
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Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:01 am to Saunson69
Really? No that’s never been discussed on here before
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:02 am to Saunson69
Well shite my mind is blown.......i never considered that
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:03 am to Saunson69
No
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:04 am to Thracken13
The way people react here I believe 95% do not think about this at all when they get heated. They may know, but when heated do not consciously think at all about this.
This post was edited on 9/2/24 at 7:06 am
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:15 am to Saunson69
Efficiency is better with EVs.
Power plants are better at turning gas into energy than cars are. Same amount of fuel at the power plant powers more EVs than the same amount in a gas engine.
Power plants are better at turning gas into energy than cars are. Same amount of fuel at the power plant powers more EVs than the same amount in a gas engine.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:26 am to Saunson69
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Overall less CO2 emission
We need more, not less.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:30 am to MintBerry Crunch
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Efficiency is better with EVs.
Power plants are better at turning gas into energy than cars are. Same amount of fuel at the power plant powers more EVs than the same amount in a gas engine.
Not when it comes to production.
It takes more power to gather materials and manufacture an EV than an ICE vehicles, especially considering the battery replacement every 5ish years.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:34 am to Azkiger
I'm not an EV fan, but this isn't true:
Looks like they hold efficency better than was projected, which is good for the buyers since EVs depreciate terribly.
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every 5ish years
Looks like they hold efficency better than was projected, which is good for the buyers since EVs depreciate terribly.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:40 am to Azkiger
Also there is significant loss over transmission lines and the electricity stored in batteries is already beginning the loss in efficiency.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:41 am to N2cars
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I'm not an EV fan, but this isn't true:
I'd go off battery warranty.
Ford, for example, only backs their batteries for 100k miles.
15k miles a year (average mileage for Americans) = 6.6 years.
Ford's not confident past that point for a rreason.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:42 am to Azkiger
It’s more like 8-12 years, batteries are 90% Recyclable, and Technology for EV has much room to grow. Samsung will start producing a solid-state battery in 27 with a range of 600 miles and a charge time of nine minutes.
The warranty at 8 years is for 70% loss capacity. The Ford lightning F150 with a range of 320 miles at 8 years would be replaced if you’re only ranging 225 miles.
The warranty at 8 years is for 70% loss capacity. The Ford lightning F150 with a range of 320 miles at 8 years would be replaced if you’re only ranging 225 miles.
This post was edited on 9/2/24 at 7:49 am
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:47 am to Azkiger
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especially considering the battery replacement every 5ish years.
“Electric vehicle (EV) batteries typically last 10 to 20 years, and are not typically replaced every five years”
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:48 am to Saunson69
Studies have shown that it takes a Toyota Camry 88,000 miles of emissions to equal the emissions out of by just making car batteries.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:50 am to Saunson69
This is a new topic for sure
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:50 am to Saunson69
I have an EV. I know from my electricity bill where my energy comes from.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:58 am to MintBerry Crunch
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Electric vehicle (EV) batteries typically last 10 to 20 years
Without knowing anything else beyond the claim, you don’t find it suspicious that you're seeing 10-20 year projections on such new technology?
I doubt the EVs sold in 2004-2014 have that sort of lifespan.
You can guess a 2022 EV's batteries would last that long, but you don't know.
Edit: Also, typically is a weasel word. I typically see normal BMI patients come through my door. Doesn't mean ~75% of Americans aren't overweight/obese.
I'm sure there are a few city slickers who drop 5k miles on their EVs each year. That's not the average, though.
This post was edited on 9/2/24 at 8:02 am
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:59 am to LSU4lyfe
Creating 100 kW battery creates 5 to 15 tons of CO2.
1 gallon of gasoline burned produces about 19.6 pounds of CO2.
A Corolla creates .33 tons of CO2 per thousand miles. At 80,000 miles, it would produce 25 tons of CO2.
1 gallon of gasoline burned produces about 19.6 pounds of CO2.
A Corolla creates .33 tons of CO2 per thousand miles. At 80,000 miles, it would produce 25 tons of CO2.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 8:12 am to Azkiger
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I doubt the EVs sold in 2004-2014 have that sort of lifespan.
Are we in 04-14 right now?
Posted on 9/2/24 at 8:14 am to MintBerry Crunch
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Are we in 04-14 right now?
Why did you ignore the point of that post?
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