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InBody 570 results. Need advice.

Posted on 8/20/24 at 6:34 am
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 8/20/24 at 6:34 am
I’m ok with arms, chest, shoulders.. wish they were bigger but the definition is fine and I’m even beginning to see striations which is awesome. I still have the pudge around navel, aka my skinny fat tendencies. Genetically my legs suck and I’ll focus on those more.
What can I do for my core?
Also, should I just try and gain as much mass as possible and cut the fat later?

This post was edited on 8/20/24 at 6:40 am
Posted by Blutarsky
112th Congress
Member since Jan 2004
11726 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 8:06 am to
Same issue here.

Majority of my BF% is in the trunk area at 13.4% and 195lbs.

But, as you drop BF, you will see the largest % drop around the trunk as you try to lean out since you have the most there.
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
37597 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 8:28 am to
That’s really what I’m up against… I feel like as a whole, I need to gain weight not lose it since I’m 158 but doing that will increase the gut while adding to the legs.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36769 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 9:37 am to
quote:


That’s really what I’m up against… I feel like as a whole, I need to gain weight not lose it since I’m 158 but doing that will increase the gut while adding to the legs.



you need to gain but needs to be good plan. You need to gain about 20lbs of lean tissue. do it slowly.

imo i would approach like this

300g protein every day

from there I would start with a surplus of about 250 calories. if you dont gain over a 2 week avg(weight everyday) then you add another 250. slowly but surely add the calories in

keep it relatively clean and i would try and time carbs only around workout. before and after, leave the other meals as protein/fat meals


for lifting i would hit up one of the ppsa programs, if it was me I would run mainly upper body focused templates. I would run like this

Filling out the hoodie
filling out the hoodie 2
Seesaw
Arm Farm
Pool Season
Pool Season 2
Elbow Meat
Pump City- as a 3 day
Arm Farm

stay in a slight caloric surplus for next 9 months, slowly increasing your training max on the lifts over that time. every month add 5-10 lbs to the training max. Try and add 2lbs of lean muscle a month over the full 9 months.

might not seem like a lot but will add up over time. then do a very slow cut using same approach, adding 12-15k steps a day and slowly lowering calories while keeping protein at the 300g mark

this is just how i would do it.
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
37597 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 10:00 am to
Perfect. Thanks man. I was waiting for your post.
Do you ever post your email or just keep it on TD? I’d like to hit you up directly if I hit a snag.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36769 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 10:09 am to
lsu777td


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Posted by ks_nola
Bozeman
Member since Sep 2015
736 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 10:15 am to
What the reasoning behind needing to add 20lbs? adding weight as we age seems like recipe for problems later. I'm similar in size to OP and 46. as the years go by it just harder and harder to maintain so adding weight now even if lean just seems like will be more fat later when its significantly harder to get rid of it.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36769 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 10:22 am to
1) because he only has 135lbs of lean mass

2) he is undermuscled

3) muscle is the most important thing as we age and makes it much easier to keep fat off and get fat off.

4) only have so long to add muscle. He is in his 40s as you are, need to add as much as you can while staying below 20% bodyfat before you turn 50.


getting fat off is much easier than adding muscle. Your metabolism does not slow down much as we age. In fact studies show you burn about 10-25 calores less per decade of life after 40. so at 70, you BMR is only about 100 calories less than at 40. but the key is maintaining the muscle as we age

you want as much strength and muscle as possible before age 50.
Posted by PrezCock
Florida
Member since Sep 2019
857 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 10:27 am to
quote:

What the reasoning behind needing to add 20lbs? adding weight as we age seems like recipe for problems later. I'm similar in size to OP and 46. as the years go by it just harder and harder to maintain so adding weight now even if lean just seems like will be more fat later when its significantly harder to get rid of it.


Adding 20lbs of lean body mass will increase his Basal Metabolic Rate (burn more calories). This will allow him to maintain a healthier body composition as an older adult. The added lean mass will also put added "stress" on the bones which in turn will force the body to adapt and increase his bone mineral density decreasing risk for osteopenia/porosis.

Also, muscle does not turn into fat as we age. We may lose muscle mass due to less activity (if you don't use it you lose it). That decrease in activity will also lower the amount of calories burned so the body will store excess calories as adipose tissue (fat gain). But muscle does not turn directly into fat as we age.
Posted by ks_nola
Bozeman
Member since Sep 2015
736 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 11:05 am to
so whats happens to the lost muscle mass weight? in general being as strong as possible makes sense I guess the focus just has to be on lean muscle and not just bulk?
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58502 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 11:05 am to
quote:

Majority of my BF% is in the trunk area at 13.4% and 195lbs. But, as you drop BF, you will see the largest % drop around the trunk as you try to lean out since you have the most there.

It sounds like y’all have insulin resistance
Posted by LSUPERMAN
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
2964 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 11:45 am to
LSU777, you know your shite, no denying that and I like reading your advise butttt

quote:

300g protein every day



At a 158lbs? There is no way he can eat that much. That is (2) chicken breast 5-6 times a day. That is a lot of food. Not to mention the financial impact and time to cook, prepare, etc. Some people just need to accept that they are who they are, especially at 43 years old. Cheaper to do gear

Just sounds like a lot of food for someone that small. Not to say he can't and won't or bad advise, just seems excessive.
This post was edited on 8/20/24 at 11:49 am
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36769 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 11:53 am to
quote:

so whats happens to the lost muscle mass weight? in general being as strong as possible makes sense I guess the focus just has to be on lean muscle and not just bulk?


not really understanding the question, lost muscle mass weight?

and yes we are trying to add lean mass, he is under muscled
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36769 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 12:06 pm to
nope that is literally this

Breakfast- 3 eggs blended with 1/2cup of non or low fat cottage cheese
snack- 25g ratio greek protein
lunch- 12oz chicken breast
snack pre workout- fairlife 42g protein shake
post workout- fairlife 42g shake
dinner- 12oz chicken breast


could easily drop the fairlife and do whey iso instead. add rice to the chicken and you are in business. thats roughly 300g protein right there

not that much money if you do whey iso

breakfast- $2-$3
snack-$2
lunch-$4
Protein- $5
Dinner-$4

>$20 per day and that is on high side. prolly around $100 per week. this isnt some crazy amount. add rice to the meals to complete them.

doesnt take but less than 30 min to grill 5 lbs of chicken breast. do that on sundays and wednesdays and you are in business

i do this weekly for my kids and me

-season and grill chicken breast- usually ~10lbs
-season and grill skirt steak- usually ~5+ lbs
have microwavable rice
mix up and scramble dozen eggs with 1 cup cottage cheese

i do all of this in less than an hour along with 2 lbs of bacon going in the over

-chicken and steak on the grill. usually do chicken first, monitoring temp and then put grill full go. I use a cast iron griddle to cook these on the grill


-bacon in the oven

-mix and scramble eggs while everything else is cooking


takes less than an hour. do that 2x per week if need be. gives you a base to make easy meals throughout the week

or just order 15lbs from just meats and eat 1 lbs a day in place of the chicken if you wanted, usually ends up being ~140g protien per package. or order chicken from chickenpound and just heat to eat

no much money, doesnt take that long to cook

and gear is fine, but you still got to eat like this.


for example, here is an example day out of PPSA lifting heavy, eating thick




ETA: is 300g a lot and more than what he needs...prolly. he could get away with 200g, even 150g...but protein is the hardest macro to turn into fat, almost impossible so it makes sense imo to have way more of it when trying to lean bulk. This is only my opinion and what I have seen the best results with.

and you could easily do 2lbs of ground beef daily instead.

I tell my high school athletes I advise all the time: 2lbs of ground beef and a dozen eggs is the formula that works everytime

but i have them live by 3 rules

1) 50g protein min at each meal
2) 1000 calories before 9am
3) 4 meals before 4pm

granted they are hs athletes that need more calories but these are good general rules when trying to gain muscle. you can adjust some due to age and activity level but you must be in a surplus and must eat a very very minimum of grams of protein at 1x bw, minimum.
This post was edited on 8/20/24 at 12:10 pm
Posted by LSUPERMAN
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
2964 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 1:31 pm to
Well, shite. You make it look so easy.

Posted by Blutarsky
112th Congress
Member since Jan 2004
11726 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 1:56 pm to
quote:

It sounds like y’all have insulin resistance


Nah.. everything in my bloodwork is fine.

Here is my latest InBody for reference:



I had covid before the initial screening on 1/2022.
This post was edited on 8/20/24 at 2:14 pm
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
37597 posts
Posted on 8/20/24 at 2:31 pm to
My BMR being 1696.. does throw my maintenance calories off? I have that at 1,922.
This post was edited on 8/20/24 at 3:20 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36769 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 7:22 am to
quote:


My BMR being 1696.. does throw my maintenance calories off? I have that at 1,922.


BMR on inbody is simply an estimate and your maintenance is your total daily energy exp anyways
Posted by Petey8
Member since Jul 2009
620 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 8:39 am to
quote:

lunch- 12oz chicken breast


Are you talking raw weight or cooked? I have been cooking up breast and weighing cooked. Been eating 6oz of cooked with 130g of rice for lunch and dinner.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36769 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 9:30 am to
raw, would be about ~9oz cooked
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