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The Athletic Pels W-L predicition: 46-36
Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:31 pm
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The New Orleans Pelicans spent much of the summer seemingly trying to move Brandon Ingram, presumably for a starting-caliber center. With Jonas Valanciunas and Larry Nance Jr. gone, they don't really have one.
They could maybe turn this into an opportunity and lean into Zion Williamson being a point 5, but rebounding could become a pretty big issue in lineups with him there.
Beyond that logistical issue, though, New Orleans is plenty deep, talented and versatile.
In spite of some occasional moments when their offensive games clash, New Orleans has generally been better when Zion and Ingram play together. The Pelicans have three-and-D optionality with Herb Jones and Trey Murphy III. And CJ McCollum's in-between game makes him an important piece in the clutch.
Now that they have an All-Star point guard in the mix in Murray to set the table, everything will potentially fit together even better.
FTR this isn't Will, it's Andy Bailey
This post was edited on 8/16/24 at 2:35 pm
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Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:42 pm to whatiknowsofar
Im optimistic, but no one should be shocked if we won 46. It’s very possible that we are a better team but win less games than last year. The West is very good and every team in our division should be better than last year.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:43 pm to whatiknowsofar
We can play small, but you NEED other guys to box out and effort on boards.
Murray for example becoming his '20-21 version can give us 7-8 a night.
Murray for example becoming his '20-21 version can give us 7-8 a night.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 2:51 pm to whatiknowsofar
Without a 5 to match up definitely I’d say under 40. Downvote away
Posted on 8/16/24 at 3:00 pm to BowDownToLSU
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Without a 5 to match up
I mean theoretically this works both ways. When people mention our small ball lineup and how we won’t be able to match up, the quote from Rorschach in Watchmen always comes to mind.
The key on this is effort and desire imo specifically with Zion. Imo he has the physical tools to be a better rebounder. He just needs to have the desire to do it.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 3:03 pm to STEVED00
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The key on this is effort and desire imo specifically with Zion. Imo he has the physical tools to be a better rebounder. He just needs to have the desire to do it.
He also has the physical tools to guard anyone in the league, from PG's to Center's.
I'm still excited to see what a Murray/Herb/BI/Trey/Zion lineup can do. I think they'll be just fine defensively, and they should be unstoppable on offense.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 3:08 pm to whatiknowsofar
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46-36
LOL. That won't be enough
Posted on 8/16/24 at 3:29 pm to BowDownToLSU
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Without a 5
Least important position in basketball
Posted on 8/16/24 at 3:46 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:remember that when teams are pounding us going inside to their bigs and getting every rebound. We let Jonas Valanciunas walk for peanuts, it’s going to come back and bite the pelicans in the arse
Least important position in basketball
Posted on 8/16/24 at 3:55 pm to BowDownToLSU
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We let Jonas Valanciunas walk for peanuts
How do you know that?
Posted on 8/16/24 at 4:04 pm to TotesMcGotes
quote:Jonas Valanciunas signed a 3 year , $30,295,000 contract with the Washington Wizards, JV is 32 years old. Compare with other centers let’s say Brook Lopez signed a 2 year , $48,000,000 contract with the Milwaukee Bucks. Brook is 36 years old. For JV’s skill set Washington got a steal. We could have matched. Major fumble by Griff
How do you know that?
Posted on 8/16/24 at 4:06 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Least important position in basketball
While this is true, rebounding is am important aspect of basketball and we are not equipped to be a team with adequate rebounding as presently constructed.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 4:08 pm to BowDownToLSU
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We could have matched.
And JV was a UFA, he could've told us to kick rocks. From the sound of it he moved out right when the season ended. Now, did he do that because the front office told him in exit interviews that we weren't bringing him back? Or, did he decide on his own that he didn't like how we used him last season? I don't think anyone on here knows the answer to that.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 4:10 pm to Epic Cajun
Let's see what their rebounding strategy looks like before we talk about what is considered adequate. We obviously won't be utilizing the same strategies we've used in the past where guys will leak out early to defend while leaving our bigs man the glass.
Hard to say what we are and what we aren't without seeing how they play the glass. While I don't think we will be in the top 10 on the glass, they should be in the 15 range with Willie who will always be reliable in getting his guys to figure out rebounding and defense.
Hard to say what we are and what we aren't without seeing how they play the glass. While I don't think we will be in the top 10 on the glass, they should be in the 15 range with Willie who will always be reliable in getting his guys to figure out rebounding and defense.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 4:22 pm to BowDownToLSU
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Jonas Valanciunas signed a 3 year , $30,295,000 contract with the Washington Wizards, JV
I think only two years is guaranteed. That’s a solid team for a team. D have no problem giving him that.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 5:33 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:that’s a good point. I just assume at his age if we offered him a few more million he stays Isn’t like he going to a contender, Washington is worse than us. But maybe it was Willie and the coaching staff
Or, did he decide on his own that he didn't like how we used him last season? I don't think anyone on here knows the answer to that.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 6:20 pm to Epic Cajun
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rebounding is am important aspect of basketball and we are not equipped to be a team with adequate rebounding as presently constructed
Contested rebound% is something you guys should look at.
The Boston Celtics were one of the worst contested rebounding teams in the league last year. How did they do?
Posted on 8/17/24 at 3:56 am to supe12sta12z
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Let's see what their rebounding strategy looks like before we talk about what is considered adequate. We obviously won't be utilizing the same strategies we've used in the past where guys will leak out early to defend while leaving our bigs man the glass.
Toronto tried this a couple of seasons ago, no Center with a bunch of wings. They tried playing Siakham at Center. They ended up trading for Poeltl, for 2 1sts.
A bunch of guys averaging 5-6 rebounds is not a good recipe, especially with no rim protection.
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While I don't think we will be in the top 10 on the glass, they should be in the 15 range with Willie who will always be reliable in getting his guys to figure out rebounding and defense.
This is impossible with the current group. We will be bottom 5 if we don't make a change. I'd love to be wrong, but I don't see how it could happen..
Posted on 8/17/24 at 6:26 am to whatiknowsofar
Again, back to the basket centers may be the least important player archetype in modern basketball. However, no position is “the least important” when you have to account for 25-30 min per game.
Let’s look at the two teams in The Finals last season. Both Boston and Dallas were significantly better teams when KP and Lively were on the court. Those teams were replacing those two with Gafford and Horford who would both be the best center on our roster by a wide margin.
I will continue to say it until it is rectified. This is a much bigger problem than most are anticipating. We don’t have one competent NBA center on the roster. We simply have no size. Ingram and Trey are our two tallest players in the rotation. That just doesn’t work.
If we go into this season with this current roster, please remember it won’t be Zion’s fault or Willie Green’s fault that we don’t meet fan expectations. It will be 100% on David Griffin and his stubbornness to go into a season with a non competitive position on the roster.
Let’s look at the two teams in The Finals last season. Both Boston and Dallas were significantly better teams when KP and Lively were on the court. Those teams were replacing those two with Gafford and Horford who would both be the best center on our roster by a wide margin.
I will continue to say it until it is rectified. This is a much bigger problem than most are anticipating. We don’t have one competent NBA center on the roster. We simply have no size. Ingram and Trey are our two tallest players in the rotation. That just doesn’t work.
If we go into this season with this current roster, please remember it won’t be Zion’s fault or Willie Green’s fault that we don’t meet fan expectations. It will be 100% on David Griffin and his stubbornness to go into a season with a non competitive position on the roster.
Posted on 8/17/24 at 12:06 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:If we had the best collection of talent in the NBA, then I'd agree that rebounding isn't super important.
The Boston Celtics were one of the worst contested rebounding teams in the league last year. How did they do?
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