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A/c capacitor help

Posted on 7/1/24 at 7:35 am
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
27050 posts
Posted on 7/1/24 at 7:35 am
Compressor isn’t kicking on so, I’m assuming it has a bad capacitor

I have a spare but it’s for an older bigger unit. But will it work?

Old capacitor:



New spare:

Posted by Trytoon
Member since Jan 2019
29 posts
Posted on 7/1/24 at 7:45 am to
If your air handler overflow pan has a safety shutoff float switch you might want to check the pan for water. This will allow everything but the compressor to run, it’s happened to me before,
Posted by southern686
Narnia
Member since Nov 2015
989 posts
Posted on 7/1/24 at 8:02 am to
Will it work? Yes.
However, it is a bit larger on the herm. Unsure if it'll hurt the compressor maybe someone more versed in HVAC will chime in but I would only use it to get me by and order the correct size ASAP. Make sure you discharge the cap before touching it as well.

And as Trytoon hinted. There are other things that can cause this aside from a bad cap.
If you have a multimeter capable of reading MFD you can test it before just replacing it.

Posted by Dallaswho
Texas
Member since Dec 2023
2674 posts
Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:38 am to
It’ll be fine. Honestly I don’t know if all single phase auxiliaries have a physical separation of exactly 90deg or if some are custom, but the bigger cap will just produce a shift closer to 90. Not a problem.
It *may not charge/discharge enough to get a full wave across the aux, but it will locate the prob and can be used until a better match is found even if that is some time out.
This post was edited on 7/1/24 at 11:37 am
Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
3214 posts
Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:49 am to
You can try it and if the problem is the cap then it will fix it. But swap it for the correct one asap and don't leave it in there permanently.
Posted by OYB
LAPLACE
Member since Dec 2018
373 posts
Posted on 7/1/24 at 10:13 am to
The other recent Capacitor thread, named AMRAD and Titan as 2 USA made caps.
I used the Amrad link in that thread to look up my 45/7.5 x370/440 cap, went to Ebay and ordered it at $33 to my door. Same sized Titan cap ran $15.

The Amrad site shows a more viscous/thicker insulating fluid than other caps.
Buy a couple as spares and you won't have to beg at local A/C supply when you are in a bind.

My 3 year old Trane unit had a China cap. Will install the Amrad and let it ride....
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
17796 posts
Posted on 7/1/24 at 11:26 am to
quote:

It’ll be fine. Honestly I don’t know if all single phase auxiliaries have a physical separation of exactly 90deg or if some are custom, but the bigger cap will just produce a shift closer to 90. Not a problem.


Actually there is a problem and if you want the most life our of your condenser or fan then you must match the capacitors with what the OEM specified. With a dual run capacitor, which is what the OP has, the increased MFD on the compressor will cause the start winding to draw more current during operation and the run winding will draw less current than it should. If the MFD was less than specified then the opposite occurs where the start winding draws less current and the run winding will draw more current. In either case, something is going to run hotter than it should. On my new Trane 3-ton it has a very common 45/5 MFD from the factory so I made sure to get a 45/5 replacement, not a 45/7.5 or a 40/5 or a 50/3 or anything else that was just "close enough".
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
11497 posts
Posted on 7/1/24 at 11:33 am to
or anything else that was just "close enough
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My AC went out as a hurricane was kicking up. I had a close enough cap to fire the unit up until the storm had passed.

My AC guy said to definately go back with origianl spec one.
Posted by Dallaswho
Texas
Member since Dec 2023
2674 posts
Posted on 7/1/24 at 11:53 am to
I’m not seeing it this way. I’m seeing a few percent more starting current and torque then possibly less or more running current across the auxiliary but not much of a change at all. Get some peace of mind from being closer to correct size but I don’t see this harming a healthy motor under any circumstances.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
27050 posts
Posted on 7/1/24 at 12:00 pm to
I found one at Ace Hardware that matched the original and went to pick it up.

Running well now.

Thanks everyone.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
17796 posts
Posted on 7/1/24 at 12:02 pm to
That probably didn't matter much in the R22 days when compressors, fan motors, and capacitors were better built. Today it's different when OEM's are cutting costs everywhere to meet efficiency standards. The tolerance to a few hundred more or less watts based on using a capacitor with slightly different specs matters. A healthy motor dealing with a few hundred watts more heat is how it becomes an unhealthy motor and a new motor costs a lot more than the right capacitor, even a premium US-made capacitor (the Titan HD's for my units cost me $20 each, new fan motor was $236 at the same supplier).
Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
4308 posts
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:20 am to
What is it with all these capacitor threads?What causes them to fail?
I’ve owned houses with central air for 43 years now,I’ve never had a capacitor go out.
Current house,1st unit lasted 15 years until it quit cooling.Had several problems such as compressor going bad,Freon leaking,it wasn’t worth fixing.
2nd unit is 9 years old,have never had first problem.

Have I just been lucky?
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5610 posts
Posted on 7/2/24 at 9:07 am to
quote:

What is it with all these capacitor threads?What causes them to fail?

Heat & Voltage spikes (brown outs, etc) are the main reason they fail - can’t do anything about heat but surge protectors might help with the voltage surges - I have a surge protector on my HVAC condenser installed with a change out in Feb 2023. I’ve never had a capacitor fail either, but what I can guarantee if it does fail it will be on a weekend or holiday, hosting a party, hottest day of the year, returning from vacation to a hot house,….. at the most inconvenient time. lol. I keep a spare for that reason and know how to check for a bad capacitor with a multimeter & replace it. According of professional HVAC sites I peruse, capacitor failure the the #1 failure they deal with, followed by contactor failure, and then condensor fan motor failure.

I watched a Y/T channel where a HVAC company owner-tech in Lafayette started replacing the “cheap” capacitor in brand new units he installs with a better made USA made capacitor b/c he was getting so many call backs within the first year of installation with capacitor failure.

ETA: Why Capacitors Fail in ACs
This post was edited on 7/2/24 at 12:14 pm
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
27050 posts
Posted on 7/2/24 at 11:01 am to
quote:

What is it with all these capacitor threads?


This is the 1st on my new units. I have 3 new ones. 2 were replaced in 2019 and this is the 1st issue with either of those. The other was replaced maybe 3 yrs ago. No issues on that one.

Capacitors go out. The units we had prior I had probably 5 capacitors replaced in 10 yrs.

I need to check the other 2 and order spares. Very cheap and easy to fix to not have a spare ready to go.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
17796 posts
Posted on 7/2/24 at 11:15 am to
quote:

Have I just been lucky?



Capacitors aren't made as well as they used to be. The metal and insulation films are thinner, they use organic/castor bean oil, etc. Buying Amrad, Titan HD, Mars capacitors that are USA-made is about the best you can do now but even they aren't built as well as the old ones.
Posted by td1
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
3078 posts
Posted on 7/2/24 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

What is it with all these capacitor threads? What causes them to fail?


Mainly heat and shitty build quality/materials.

Power surges will get them, but most fail from overheating/get knocked out by a power surge from being almost toast from running hot.

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