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Houston Stalking Zion?
Posted on 6/28/24 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 6/28/24 at 3:34 pm
New report that Zion is on Houston's radar as it goes star hunting with its replenished war chest of picks and young players.
I think we all consider Zion off limits, but it's at least worth considering what a "godfather" offer might look like. If you think of the Davis trade updated with the Gobert and Bridges precedents I think you are talking at least 3-4 first round picks, maybe two more swaps and at least two and possibly three young players with big upside.
Say you could get Sengun, Jabari Smith & Reed Sheppard as the prospects, and three first round picks from Houston's war chest + swaps. It's interesting in that Zion is a hard player to build around, despite his immense talent. His injury history is well known, but he's also limited as a player in a way that might be exposed in the playoffs, which we haven't seen because he hasn't been available for a playoff game in five years.
Consider a starting line up of CJ/Herb/BI/Smith/Sengun with Sheppard /Hawk/Dyson/Trey/Larry as a second unit and a stock 6-7 first round picks + more swaps over the next four years. It's a much more conventional NBA team and incredibly deep (I'm not even listing Jose and the rookies). Yes, you give up on the dream of Zion's greatness, but you build a very solid foundation for a future contender.
Would you even consider doing it on something like those terms?
I think we all consider Zion off limits, but it's at least worth considering what a "godfather" offer might look like. If you think of the Davis trade updated with the Gobert and Bridges precedents I think you are talking at least 3-4 first round picks, maybe two more swaps and at least two and possibly three young players with big upside.
Say you could get Sengun, Jabari Smith & Reed Sheppard as the prospects, and three first round picks from Houston's war chest + swaps. It's interesting in that Zion is a hard player to build around, despite his immense talent. His injury history is well known, but he's also limited as a player in a way that might be exposed in the playoffs, which we haven't seen because he hasn't been available for a playoff game in five years.
Consider a starting line up of CJ/Herb/BI/Smith/Sengun with Sheppard /Hawk/Dyson/Trey/Larry as a second unit and a stock 6-7 first round picks + more swaps over the next four years. It's a much more conventional NBA team and incredibly deep (I'm not even listing Jose and the rookies). Yes, you give up on the dream of Zion's greatness, but you build a very solid foundation for a future contender.
Would you even consider doing it on something like those terms?
This post was edited on 7/3/24 at 10:14 am
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Posted on 6/28/24 at 3:37 pm to New City Champ
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CJ/Herb/BI/Smith/Sengun
This ain’t it
Posted on 6/28/24 at 3:38 pm to New City Champ
quote:
Consider a starting line up of CJ/Herb/BI/Smith/Sengun with Sheppard /Hawk/Dyson/Trey/Larry as a second unit and a stock 6-7 first round picks + more swaps over the next four years. It's a much more conventional NBA team and incredibly deep (I'm not even listing Jose and the rookies). Yes, you give up on the dream of Zion's greatness, but you build a very solid foundation for a future contender.
People are going to eviscerate you, but Zion's inability to stay healthy is the biggest problem this team has. You have to build a completely unorthodox roster to maximize him, but that roster just doesn't work when he gets injured.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 3:47 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
I'm sure I will get slammed but it's more of a thought experiment.
I think Sengun has a good chance to be a future All-NBA level player. Not as talented as Zion, but a foundation piece on a contending team. He already averaged 21 & 9 with 5 assists last year.
He's an inside scorer like Zion, but obviously does it a very different way. Smith & Ingram are long forwards in the front court who can score. CJ here is placeholder for Sheppard (you hope) and Herb is Herb. Obviously Trey may figure in the starting line up at some point if you want to also move off Brandon (or if you don't get Smith in the deal). That would put two very long 3-point snipers + a shooter at the PG and a first-team all-NBA defender to round out line up. That's before you get to the draft picks. It's worth considering...
I think Sengun has a good chance to be a future All-NBA level player. Not as talented as Zion, but a foundation piece on a contending team. He already averaged 21 & 9 with 5 assists last year.
He's an inside scorer like Zion, but obviously does it a very different way. Smith & Ingram are long forwards in the front court who can score. CJ here is placeholder for Sheppard (you hope) and Herb is Herb. Obviously Trey may figure in the starting line up at some point if you want to also move off Brandon (or if you don't get Smith in the deal). That would put two very long 3-point snipers + a shooter at the PG and a first-team all-NBA defender to round out line up. That's before you get to the draft picks. It's worth considering...
This post was edited on 6/28/24 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 6/28/24 at 4:00 pm to New City Champ
Sengun/Jalen/Jabari/Sheppard/Cam/Eason and 3 1sts with 3 swaps is where discussions should start
Posted on 6/28/24 at 4:01 pm to Soggymoss
That's a hell a swap for Jesus Christ.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 4:28 pm to New City Champ
Is Zion hard to build around or did our front office not have the foresight to see that having the second best player on the roster also not be a 3 point shooter wasn’t a great way to build? Then, add another non shooter and a a half a shooter in the starting lineup. Look at the two teams in the finals this year, both of those rosters would be great with Zion. Hell, add Zion to Indy or Minnesota. Those are the 4 finalists. Any of those 4 rosters are better for Zion than ours. That tells me it isn’t a Zion is difficult to build around problem, it’s an our front office doesn’t know how to build a roster for the current NBA problem.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 4:47 pm to Soggymoss
And from Houston’s front office point of view the discussions probably start at
Sengun for Zion straight up (if they even have Sengun as available). They probably don’t tbh unless they are getting someone ridiculous back like Luka.
A more realistic offer I could see them making is
Green, JSJ, and maybe 1 of Cam Whitmore/Amen, plus salary, maybe a pick
And that is still a nice haul for a player that appeared to turn a corner last year, but still has consistent health issues
My target would be Sengun personally even if it’s as a 1 for 1 type trade. He’s a foundational piece that is younger and healthier than Zion. You don’t have to worry about him off the court either. You also probably don't have to worry about him wanting to leave. Euro’s are historically very loyal.
I’m honestly pissed off that he was available at 16 and we didn’t make a move to get him like Houston did. I’m pissed off that we didn’t try to get him last offseason when there were questions whether he’d fit in Udoka’s system.
We literally waited until the dude produced better than 21 year old Jokic, to put him on our radar and offer Brandon Ingram coming off of his worst season for him. David Griffin is a joke. That is our main issue as a franchise right now.
Sengun for Zion straight up (if they even have Sengun as available). They probably don’t tbh unless they are getting someone ridiculous back like Luka.
A more realistic offer I could see them making is
Green, JSJ, and maybe 1 of Cam Whitmore/Amen, plus salary, maybe a pick
And that is still a nice haul for a player that appeared to turn a corner last year, but still has consistent health issues
My target would be Sengun personally even if it’s as a 1 for 1 type trade. He’s a foundational piece that is younger and healthier than Zion. You don’t have to worry about him off the court either. You also probably don't have to worry about him wanting to leave. Euro’s are historically very loyal.
I’m honestly pissed off that he was available at 16 and we didn’t make a move to get him like Houston did. I’m pissed off that we didn’t try to get him last offseason when there were questions whether he’d fit in Udoka’s system.
We literally waited until the dude produced better than 21 year old Jokic, to put him on our radar and offer Brandon Ingram coming off of his worst season for him. David Griffin is a joke. That is our main issue as a franchise right now.
This post was edited on 6/28/24 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 6/28/24 at 5:02 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:
And from Houston’s front office point of view the discussions probably start at
Sengun for Zion straight up (if they even have Sengun as available
If that were even close to the case, they would just build around Sengun.
Houston would send Sengun, Sheppard, and all the Brooklyn and Phoenix picks today if the Pelicans even considered it.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 5:10 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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Green, JSJ, and maybe 1 of Cam Whitmore/Amen, plus salary, maybe a pick
Gayle calls up the airport and ensures the private jet is fully fueled up and ready, then her Griff, Swin and Bryson fly all the Houston. Then they get a limo with champagne, have the driver circle the city a few times before they pull up to the Rockets main office. They go inside and ask the secretary to meet with Fertitta and Stone personally, then sit around in the waiting room until they come out. As soon as Stone and Fertitta emerge all 4 start laughing in their faces say no, get back into the limo and drive back to the plane then depart for NOLA
Any Zion trade package would START with every single positive asset the receiving team has
This post was edited on 6/28/24 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 6/28/24 at 5:19 pm to New City Champ
call me crazy, but Sengun is overated. I do like his offensive game, but he's a terrible defender. Houston has a good defense despite him, and they are better defensively when he's not on the court.
I'm not building a team around Sengun when i can do it around Zion.
Reed Sheppard would have been no where near top 10 in a normal draft, and i'm not banking on a 6'3" white guy to turn into some offensive weapon. If he becomes a decent role player, that would be a success for him. That's his ceiling.
I was hesitate at first to do any deal with Houston, but I think i'd really like getting Jabari Smith Jr. Send them BI and get him back with some picks.
I'd start Jabari at the 5. His defense has improved tremendously, and he's actually a really good defender now, as well as a good rebounder.
I still think we'd need to look to move CJ at some point for a true #2, but I think JSJ could be our future at the 5.
I'm not building a team around Sengun when i can do it around Zion.
Reed Sheppard would have been no where near top 10 in a normal draft, and i'm not banking on a 6'3" white guy to turn into some offensive weapon. If he becomes a decent role player, that would be a success for him. That's his ceiling.
I was hesitate at first to do any deal with Houston, but I think i'd really like getting Jabari Smith Jr. Send them BI and get him back with some picks.
I'd start Jabari at the 5. His defense has improved tremendously, and he's actually a really good defender now, as well as a good rebounder.
I still think we'd need to look to move CJ at some point for a true #2, but I think JSJ could be our future at the 5.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 5:21 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Agree and I think Houston saw his flaws last year
call me crazy, but Sengun is overated. I do like his offensive game, but he's a terrible defender. Houston has a good defense despite him, and they are better defensively when he's not on the court.
I'm not building a team around Sengun when i can do it around Zion.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 6:02 pm to Soggymoss
Look, I think the main issue on this board is that many of you have seen Sengun play like 12 games or less and he does get bitched by J Val half the time.
I’m someone that watches 50 Houston games a year and keeps up with their team almost as much as I do the Pels. I’m just painting a picture of their price and how much they value him. Gun to my head. I don’t think they would even trade Sengun straight up for Zion. I think their price would actually be something like Zion and Herb for Sengun and Tari Eason. And you can either agree or disagree with them, but that’s how highly I think they value a 22 year old player, that has improved every season, is on a Jokic track, has great work ethic and injury history.
Zion’s peak is absolutely amazing, but he’s only hit it in about 30 games out of 5 seasons. It makes him difficult to evaluate in a trade. If you are Houston, Sengun, is basically the bird you have in your hand. And Zion, represents 2 birds in a bush. You might catch 0,1 or both birds. But it’s looking like it’s going to be hard to catch both of them considering he’s 0/5 on being healthy enough for the playoffs.
I’m glad we got Dejounte Murray. I’ll exit this Sengun valuation convo for now and be happy about that move. That is a great trade for us.
I’m someone that watches 50 Houston games a year and keeps up with their team almost as much as I do the Pels. I’m just painting a picture of their price and how much they value him. Gun to my head. I don’t think they would even trade Sengun straight up for Zion. I think their price would actually be something like Zion and Herb for Sengun and Tari Eason. And you can either agree or disagree with them, but that’s how highly I think they value a 22 year old player, that has improved every season, is on a Jokic track, has great work ethic and injury history.
Zion’s peak is absolutely amazing, but he’s only hit it in about 30 games out of 5 seasons. It makes him difficult to evaluate in a trade. If you are Houston, Sengun, is basically the bird you have in your hand. And Zion, represents 2 birds in a bush. You might catch 0,1 or both birds. But it’s looking like it’s going to be hard to catch both of them considering he’s 0/5 on being healthy enough for the playoffs.
I’m glad we got Dejounte Murray. I’ll exit this Sengun valuation convo for now and be happy about that move. That is a great trade for us.
This post was edited on 6/28/24 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 6/28/24 at 6:04 pm to New City Champ
quote:In other news, Sydney Sweeney is on my radar.
New report that Zion is on Houston's radar
Posted on 6/28/24 at 6:32 pm to New City Champ
As a Rockets fan, I don’t want Zion. I would not trade Sengun for Zion straight up.
This post was edited on 6/28/24 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 6/28/24 at 8:57 pm to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 6/28/24 at 9:58 pm to NOSHAU
What’s funny? I don’t want to trade a productive player for a guy who will sit on the bench in street clothes. If Zion was a moderately healthy player, it would be a different story.
But if he was a moderately healthy player, y’all wouldn’t be entertaining trade proposals.
But if he was a moderately healthy player, y’all wouldn’t be entertaining trade proposals.
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:00 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:
But if he was a moderately healthy player, y’all wouldn’t be entertaining trade proposals.
Who is entertaining trade proposals for Zion???!!
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:06 pm to Pels_Yaz
I thought that’s what this thread was about. But the Pelicans should keep him. I don’t want him on the Rockets. He’s always hurt. The Rockets front office has made good moves. I don’t think they’re dumb enough to sell the farm for a player you can’t rely on.
This post was edited on 6/28/24 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:07 pm to PrimeTime Money
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I thought that’s what this thread was about. But the Pelicans should keep him. I don’t want him on the Rockets. He’s always hurt.
Thread was about Rockets wanting Zion not pelicans wanting to trade him. Maybe you should ask your rockets team why they covet him?
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