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Question for those not wanting to go All In now for Trae
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:43 am
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:43 am
Who is on the horizon that is worth waiting for?
Booker? Seems like we'd kind of have the same problem of not quite good enough at PG.
Fox? Fox fills the PG role, but does he raise the team's ceiling higher than Trae?
What other star level guard is in a situation where they become available over the next 1-2 years?
I've got some reservations about Trae myself, but I don't really see the argument for keeping the powder dry because the grass will be greener later. It looks like the grass will be the same color later.
Booker? Seems like we'd kind of have the same problem of not quite good enough at PG.
Fox? Fox fills the PG role, but does he raise the team's ceiling higher than Trae?
What other star level guard is in a situation where they become available over the next 1-2 years?
I've got some reservations about Trae myself, but I don't really see the argument for keeping the powder dry because the grass will be greener later. It looks like the grass will be the same color later.
This post was edited on 6/26/24 at 9:44 am
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Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:45 am to TigerinATL
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Who is on the horizon that is worth waiting for?
Bam
Fox
Booker
Posted on 6/26/24 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
How on earth does Bam solve the Pels problems? The Pels were 6th in defense 2 years in a row with a starting lineup full of negative defenders. They fell apart in close games or couldn't come from behind in games they trailed because they didn't have enough ball handling and creation.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:09 am to TigerinATL
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How on earth does Bam solve the Pels problems?
How is he even available? Are we just guessing who might be available in the next year or so? To top it off why would any of those guys sign off coming here?
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:11 am to TigerinATL
This hard to answer because these situations are so fluid. But yes, I would prefer Fox as far guys who likely could be available in the next couple years.
I’m not sure anyone is 100% against Trae Young, all dependent on acquisition cost. Even though Young isn’t my favorite player, if he’s available at a reasonable price, I’m much more open to taking the swing.
Some people said they were willing to unload BI, Nance, 5 firsts, and 2 swaps for Trae Young. I think that’s an absurd cost. At that price I’d rather get Murray for less and use the extra assets to try again in a couple years. Hell, for that price, ask around the league and I’m sure someone would shake out. We could probably get Lauri Markkanan for less than that. The Cavs may move Mobley at that price.
I just don’t see how moving all of our assets for Young makes us that much better. I’m not going to act like Young wouldn’t improve our offense like some people, we definitely be top 10 and very likely top 5 if we get Trae. But I’m extremely worried about our D.
I’ve said this all before but Young is an horrendous defender. Opponents had a 121.6 ORtg whenever he was on the court this last year.
To put it into perspective, a 121.6 ORtg would have lead the league every year except one for the last 3 decades. Only the Celtics last year, who posted an ORtg 0.5 points higher. So whenever he was on the court last year, the opposing team’s offense was historically good.
I know Willie and Herb have made magic before, but having to hide both Zion and Trae is a big ask. Especially if we move all of our assets for Trae and still don’t have a 5 on the roster.
I’m not sure anyone is 100% against Trae Young, all dependent on acquisition cost. Even though Young isn’t my favorite player, if he’s available at a reasonable price, I’m much more open to taking the swing.
Some people said they were willing to unload BI, Nance, 5 firsts, and 2 swaps for Trae Young. I think that’s an absurd cost. At that price I’d rather get Murray for less and use the extra assets to try again in a couple years. Hell, for that price, ask around the league and I’m sure someone would shake out. We could probably get Lauri Markkanan for less than that. The Cavs may move Mobley at that price.
I just don’t see how moving all of our assets for Young makes us that much better. I’m not going to act like Young wouldn’t improve our offense like some people, we definitely be top 10 and very likely top 5 if we get Trae. But I’m extremely worried about our D.
I’ve said this all before but Young is an horrendous defender. Opponents had a 121.6 ORtg whenever he was on the court this last year.
To put it into perspective, a 121.6 ORtg would have lead the league every year except one for the last 3 decades. Only the Celtics last year, who posted an ORtg 0.5 points higher. So whenever he was on the court last year, the opposing team’s offense was historically good.
I know Willie and Herb have made magic before, but having to hide both Zion and Trae is a big ask. Especially if we move all of our assets for Trae and still don’t have a 5 on the roster.
This post was edited on 6/26/24 at 10:12 am
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:13 am to TigerinATL
Booker is not a true point. But he’s 100 times the court general CJ McCollum is. Just on the simple fact that he commands real double and triple teams because he is unguardable 1 on 1. And he’s got an extremely high basketball IQ. He generally knows where the right passes are on the court.
Booker would probably be the dream scenario with him being from Mississippi and having a good relationship with Willie Green. (Assuming we keep Willie Green)
All that being said, I’d still go for Trae Young. I think you have to shoot your shot every time a big star is open to playing in your small market. And he’d be a great fit with Zion, Trey and insert a lob threat center on offense.
Booker would probably be the dream scenario with him being from Mississippi and having a good relationship with Willie Green. (Assuming we keep Willie Green)
All that being said, I’d still go for Trae Young. I think you have to shoot your shot every time a big star is open to playing in your small market. And he’d be a great fit with Zion, Trey and insert a lob threat center on offense.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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Bam Fox Booker
Bam is not coming available plain and simple
Suns won’t trade Booker, Ishbia won’t allow that team to go into a rebuild
Fox, meh maybe doable, but Sacramento will blow all their assets trying to make a win now move to keep him.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:16 am to TigerinATL
quote:
How on earth does Bam solve the Pels problems?
Literally the perfect 5
Get a Garland or Murray and save the warchest for Bam
Murray/Garland
Herb
Trey
Zion
Bam
That's a title-contending starting 5
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:17 am to 3PieceSpicy
There's no one realistic.
We need ball handling and a finisher.
Trae does both and we're one of the few teams he fits with because of Herb.
People complaining about Zion's D, here's the thing. If Zion plays like late season Zion on D, we're fine. He was good.
If not, none of this matters anyway.
We need ball handling and a finisher.
Trae does both and we're one of the few teams he fits with because of Herb.
People complaining about Zion's D, here's the thing. If Zion plays like late season Zion on D, we're fine. He was good.
If not, none of this matters anyway.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:18 am to Pels_Yaz
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How is he even available?
He's not today, but OP asked for in a few years. Butler is already causing drama in MIA and they're shite without him (he's not worth that much to rebuild, either). Once Jimmy goes, they should blow it up and Bam is their only valuable piece. He also has much less value as "the guy" on that team without Butler, causing the asset to crater in value.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:19 am to TigerinATL
quote:
How on earth does Bam solve the Pels problems?
I’m not convinced that Trae Young does either and Im not willing to pay BI, Nance, 5 firsts, and 2 swaps to find out
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:20 am to Baron
Agreed. We probably could get Darius Garland for less than that. Rumors are if Mitchell signs, Garland is going to demand a trade.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:22 am to Baron
I value the firsts a lot more than Ingram. I think he's a negative value at his salary demands.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:22 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
How on earth does Bam solve the Pels problems?
Thats a solid team but its not title contending.
Blowing your warchest for a player who barely averages 20 pts doesn’t really make sense to me.
Great defensive player but offensively isn’t elite by any means.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:23 am to Baron
No way Pelicans are giving up that many first rounds with Bryson Graham as GM. The main reason he got the promotion was because he was good at creating draft boards and players’ analysis. That’s his bread and butter.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:24 am to Pels_Yaz
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Blowing your warchest for a player who barely averages 20 pts doesn’t really make sense to me.
He is incredible on defense, knows his role on offense, and can facilitate. He's literally the perfect 5.
Zion/Trey/Garland are our primary scorers and then Bam/Herb would total 25-30/night.
That team would be a monster on defense and it's built around Zion on offense.
quote:
Great defensive player but offensively isn’t elite by any means.
Why would we need an elite offensive center with Zion/Garland/Trey?
I mean he's not even bad, he's a good offensive center. Why do we need an elite one?
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Bam is who Miami is building the whole team around. I would love Booker or Fox, but how do we know they will ever shake free and how long do we have to wait?
Bam
Fox
Booker
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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Once Jimmy goes, they should blow it up and Bam is their only valuable piece. He also has much less value as "the guy" on that team without Butler, causing the asset to crater in value.
That Miami team never blows anything completely up. They always look to compete especially under Riley and Spo.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:28 am to NOSHAU
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Bam is who Miami is building the whole team around. I would love Booker or Fox, but how do we know they will ever shake free and how long do we have to wait?
Bam is never and has never been part of any trade scenarios. There is a better chance for Fox, but Booker may be the guy. If the Suns bring a bunch of picks from Houston for Durant, they have to deal Booker too and go full rebuild. They have no assets and no cap space. They literally have no moves to make other than trading both. Beal is theirs forever now. His contract is too bad.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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He is incredible on defense, knows his role on offense, and can facilitate. He's literally the perfect 5.
He is a bit undersized. Struggles with Jokic and Embiid type players. Also can’t shoot 3s.
I’m not saying the team wouldn’t be good. They just wouldn’t be title contenders. I would pick a lot of current west teams over them.
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