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Does the 1987 BB Team win it all if John Williams stayed for his junior year?
Posted on 6/24/24 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 6/24/24 at 3:34 pm
One question I've never seen anyone ask is "does the 1987 team with the title if John Williams hadn't left for the NBA after his sophomore year?"
It was very rare for players to leave for the NBA before their junior year. That would have been an incredible team in the tournament. Williams and Nikita Wilson would have been too much for IU to handle in the Elite 8. LSU gets to the Final Four (in New Orleans that year) and wins it all.
It was very rare for players to leave for the NBA before their junior year. That would have been an incredible team in the tournament. Williams and Nikita Wilson would have been too much for IU to handle in the Elite 8. LSU gets to the Final Four (in New Orleans that year) and wins it all.
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Posted on 6/24/24 at 3:34 pm to Manswers
Yes if Fess Irvin made free throws
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 6/24/24 at 3:41 pm to Manswers
Dale Brown was still the coach so no.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 3:45 pm to Jim Hopper
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Dale Brown was still the coach so no.
You have no idea what you are talking about , but parrot the same old mindless shite that someone has to interject in every fricking thread about basketball during Dale's tenure.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 3:50 pm to Manswers
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One question I've never seen anyone ask is "does the 1987 team with the title if John Williams hadn't left for the NBA after his sophomore year?"
Had the refs assessed Bobby Knight with the two technicals as they should have and ejected him instead of being intimidated the rest of the game the
Tigers would have won by 8 to 10 points and sailed into New Orleans for the Final Four. LSU d d not lose in the Dome back then.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 3:59 pm to tigersbb
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You have no idea what you are talking about , but parrot the same old mindless shite that someone has to interject in every fricking thread about basketball during Dale's tenure.
No disrespect intended, but I was at LSU during this era. Watched a lot of LSU basketball. Went to more games than I could count. Dale could recruit, but he was a terrible X & O guy. When the situation called for strategy and coaching acumen, LSU was fricked.
This is an immutable truth.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 4:42 pm to Pu2kph0
I partly agree and disagree with your statement. Dale was a horrible X and O coach from an offensive standpoint, as well as set play or inbound. His teams rebounded well and played excellent defense. His freak defense was really more of a matchup zone, but regardless they played Defense really well most games and could play a variety of defenses. Frankly, one of the biggest attributes his teams had year in year and out was the ability to play multiple types of defenses at a high level. This was pretty consistent until 1990 or so. I feel like once he picked up Stanley and Shaq, quit truly coaching defense.
Not to hijack the thread, but I also think John Williams was the best all-around player to ever wear purple and gold. You could play any position on the floor at a high level. He also played excellent defense and could out rebound anybody on the court. It is a shame he put on so much weight in the NBA because he had special talent.
Not to hijack the thread, but I also think John Williams was the best all-around player to ever wear purple and gold. You could play any position on the floor at a high level. He also played excellent defense and could out rebound anybody on the court. It is a shame he put on so much weight in the NBA because he had special talent.
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 6/24/24 at 4:58 pm to Pu2kph0
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No disrespect intended, but I was at LSU during this era. Watched a lot of LSU basketball. Went to more games than I could count. Dale could recruit, but he was a terrible X & O guy. When the situation called for strategy and coaching acumen, LSU was fricked.
This is an immutable truth.
Guess you missed the freak defense, the Four Corners end of game before the shot clock, the upset wins over HOF coaches, the fifteen year span when they split 30 games with mighty Kentucky and the Big Blue Nation, the 4 SEC titles and the only SEC tourney title in LSU history.
I began following LSU prior to Press and Pete, was a student and in the crowd at LSU when Pete set the scoring record, was there in the early years when Dale set the Fantastic Climb to the Top in motion and was thrilled when LSU could finally go head to head with the blue blood programs winning some and losing some but always in the conversation.
I am damn proud of what this program accomplished during Dale's tenure and I prefer to reflect on the great teams, legendary players, the sellout crowds in the Deaf Dome when LSU basketball was truly an event. I'll be mother fricking god damned if I am going to let you fricking assholes pirate every fricking thread about LSU basketball during that time with the same old Dale can recruit but he can't coach bullshite. Most of you weren't even around then but you just regurgitate the same tiresome shite every time, selectively focus on the losses and glossing over the successes. Dale took a moribund program after Pete left and turned into the most successful SEC program other than Kentucky and at times a national power. Some of us would like to enjoy those memories without wading through the shite posts.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 5:11 pm to michael corleone
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John Williams was the best all-around player to ever wear purple and gold
John Williams was a great all around talent, in a sense a point forward. However, I would select Ben Simmons as the best all around player in program history solely on skill level and in consideration of his stats the one season he played here. Many people are critical of Simmons because the team didn't make the post season but Ben was far from the reason for this. I believe if Keith Hornsby didn't sustain the abdominal injury late in the season they would have made it into the playoffs.
That said I would not place either in the top five in program history but both would qualify for Top Ten. The Top 5 are Pete, Shaq, Petit, Macklin and Mahmoud .
Posted on 6/24/24 at 5:23 pm to Jim Hopper
Says the guy with a University of Houston logo in Mississippi 
Posted on 6/24/24 at 5:23 pm to tigersbb
I think Ben is 2 or 3, but don’t think he played defense well. Big John could defend the wing and the post. He could do so at a high level, without his offensive game suffering at all. Ben couldn’t put a team on his back , despite his talent. Big John did so many times.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 5:27 pm to tigersbb
quote:and left it the same way he inherited it. Seems like you need to take some time off the internet if a different opinion about Dale frustrates you that much.
Dale took a moribund program after Pete left and turned into the most successful SEC program other than Kentucky and at times a national power
Posted on 6/24/24 at 5:30 pm to michael corleone
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I think Ben is 2 or 3, but don’t think he played defense well. Big John could defend the wing and the post. He could do so at a high level, without his offensive game suffering at all. Ben couldn’t put a team on his back , despite his talent. Big John did so many time
Different times and team make up around them. My vote for Ben was based more on the sheer volume of his stats. John did take the team to the Final Four. They may have won it if he had not developed a hand infection from an injection for inflammation after the Regional championship.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 5:38 pm to tigersbb
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John Williams was a great all around talent, in a sense a point forward. However, I would select Ben Simmons
I watched every game Williams and Simmons played. Give me Williams all day over Simmons.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 7:08 pm to tigersbb
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You have no idea what you are talking about
Sir, you obviously never watched a dale brown coached team.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 11:37 pm to tigersbb
To be honest Dale Brown was an excellent coach up until that Elite 8 game in Cincy vs Indiana. He blew it that day and was never the same afterwards even with elite talent in the early 1990s. It's simply inexcusable that the teams with Shaq never advanced past the 2nd round of the tournament.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 11:38 pm to Septiger
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Williams all day over Simmons
I second that emotion
Posted on 6/25/24 at 12:01 am to ChestRockwell
quote:This, times one billion.
Yes if Fess Irvin made free throws
Posted on 6/25/24 at 12:02 am to Manswers
Does the 87 BB team win it all if Joey Belle doesn't chase after Mississippi State fan?
Posted on 6/25/24 at 6:12 am to tigersbb
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Dale took a moribund program after Pete left and turned into the most successful SEC program other than Kentucky and at times a national power
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