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Snake ID needed
Posted on 6/14/24 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 6/14/24 at 5:51 pm
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My parents sent the picture to me. Water snake?
The snake is under 2 feet long.
My parents sent the picture to me. Water snake?
The snake is under 2 feet long.
This post was edited on 6/14/24 at 5:53 pm
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 5:52 pm to Bow dude72
He's eating good
This post was edited on 6/14/24 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 6/14/24 at 7:49 pm to Bow dude72
Yes. Nerodia something.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 7:53 pm to Bama and Beer
Yeah, plain-bellied water snake.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:46 pm to Bow dude72
Yep, watersnake, nonvenomous
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:26 pm to Bow dude72
He’s lucky he is not around my house….that’s all I am sayin.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 6:22 am to Spankum
I guess some guys get off by doing and or saying "a good snake is a dead snake"
All I hear is "my wife is terrified of them and so am I but I'm going to kill any snake and post it to my instagram to show I'm a man"
Now a venomous snake is a different thing
Hell, 3 weekends ago, my son played with a 2 foot rat snake in a bush for 15 minutes, told him it was a good snake and I just walked away. The conversation went like this after I walked back 5 minutes later
"pick him up"
Him: "will he bite?"
"yep but it won't hurt"
Him: "will there be blood?"
"Maybe"
Walked back and he was trying to grab him
. He didn't succeed
All I hear is "my wife is terrified of them and so am I but I'm going to kill any snake and post it to my instagram to show I'm a man"
Now a venomous snake is a different thing
Hell, 3 weekends ago, my son played with a 2 foot rat snake in a bush for 15 minutes, told him it was a good snake and I just walked away. The conversation went like this after I walked back 5 minutes later
"pick him up"
Him: "will he bite?"
"yep but it won't hurt"
Him: "will there be blood?"
"Maybe"
Walked back and he was trying to grab him
. He didn't succeed Posted on 6/15/24 at 6:51 am to Bama and Beer
Hopefully he asks you every time…..
Posted on 6/15/24 at 8:14 am to Bow dude72
Upland water snake.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 12:15 pm to Bama and Beer
Y'all sure about it being just a water snake? I'm usually the last guy to confuse banded water snakes with cottonmouths, and I know water snakes will flatten out their heads, but that picture seems inconclusive to me.
Those brow ridges are pretty sharp and even the vertical lines on the face are inconclusive. I've seen plenty of cottonmouths with vertical markings like that.
A clearer picture would be nice to see eye/pupil shape and pits/no pits a little better.
Those brow ridges are pretty sharp and even the vertical lines on the face are inconclusive. I've seen plenty of cottonmouths with vertical markings like that.
A clearer picture would be nice to see eye/pupil shape and pits/no pits a little better.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 12:41 pm to Longhorn Actual
Here's a cottonmouth I killed within the month. You tell me
Posted on 6/15/24 at 6:09 pm to Bama and Beer
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Here's a cottonmouth I killed within the month. You tell me
I'm not sure of your point. I have killed scores of cottonmouths. There is a ton of variation in color/pattern - from solid black older snakes to young ones that look similar to copperheads (since they're cousins and all), the less defined pattern and the dot in the middle being the big distinguishing marks.
Seen plenty of variation in the head/mouth too. Other than the pretty distinct Zorro mask, I've seen them with solid/light lower jaws, and some with black on the lower jaw.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:12 am to Longhorn Actual
quote:
Y'all sure about it being just a water snake?
100%
Posted on 6/17/24 at 8:19 am to TigrrrDad
quote:
TigrrrDad
quote:
100%
Its official
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:11 am to Longhorn Actual
quote:The lines on the lower jaw are conclusive. The blotching pattern is conclusive.
Those brow ridges are pretty sharp and even the vertical lines on the face are inconclusive
quote:Everyone needs to abandon this. The ID is conclusive on all nerodia vs. cottonmouth way before we get there. It amazed me how many people bring this up. It's not ever a thing i look at.
would be nice to see eye/pupil shape
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:08 pm to Longhorn Actual
quote:
Y'all sure about it being just a water snake?
Water snake on the left.
Look for the vertical bars on the mouth
Cotton mouth with the Zorro mask
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:26 pm to AlxTgr
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Everyone needs to abandon this. The ID is conclusive on all nerodia vs. cottonmouth way before we get there. It amazed me how many people bring this up. It's not ever a thing i look at.
Watersnakes do have round pupils. And Agkistrodon do have vertical elliptical pupils. Watersnake heads look different though they will flatten to look triangular. I am a layperson snake identifier. I don't know all the other characteristics you herpetologists use.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:47 pm to Cuz413
You guys could also spend a little time leaning what a Loreal pit looks like. If you see an eyeball and two openings in front of it, think pit viper. One hole, think nostril. They are not that hard to identify. But don't get too close.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:15 am to AlxTgr
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It amazed me how many people bring this up. It's not ever a thing i look at.
Exactly - the head just looks so distinctly different on a cottonmouth, there really aren’t any specifics you need to look for. Once you’ve seen a few, you should know instantly.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 2:49 pm to Cuz413
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Cotton mouth with the Zorro mask
And vertical elliptical pupil.
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