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They aren't coming for your guns, right? (for the 8,432nd time)
Posted on 6/6/24 at 11:01 am
Posted on 6/6/24 at 11:01 am
Gosafe Act
If it's a "weapon of war" name me a single skirmish that an AR has been used. Just one.
quote:
This week two federal lawmakers introduced the the Gas-Operated Semi-Automatic Firearms Exclusion (GOSAFE) Act.
Basically, it’s a comprehensive ban on semi-automatic rifles that accept detachable magazines. It also prohibits magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds.
quote:
“As weapons of war have become commonplace in America, so has the unfathomable carnage they wreak on our communities,” said John Feinblatt, president of Everytown for Gun Safety.
If it's a "weapon of war" name me a single skirmish that an AR has been used. Just one.
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 11:13 am to bbvdd
Ecb will be by shortly to say this isn’t what your title says it is.
Used all the key words in that statement.
quote:
As weapons of war have become commonplace in America
Used all the key words in that statement.
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 11:16 am
Posted on 6/6/24 at 11:45 am to bbvdd
quote:
Gas-Operated Semi-Automatic
Ironically, the Hi-Point carbine that was used in several school shootings is not a gas operated rifle. It's a blowback design.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 11:58 am to bbvdd
quote:obviously I get what you are trying to say but this in particular is not a winning argument and is disingenuous at best. Nobody (especially not gun owners) is served by semantics of product labeling. Similar to the stupid huffing about “clip” vs “magazine”.
If it's a "weapon of war" name me a single skirmish that an AR has been used. Just one.
The civilian AR15 in semi auto is for all reasonable purposes identical to the military issue rifle being used in “skirmishes” right this minute. I get that words mean something but in this case, they both mean the same thing
Back to the actual point…
The gas operated civilian semi auto rifle/carbine is here to stay regardless of what individual legislators do or not do. There is no putting that horse back in the barn.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:07 pm to cgrand
quote:
The civilian AR15 in semi auto is for all reasonable purposes identical to the military issue rifle being used in “skirmishes” right this minute. I get that words mean something but in this case, they both mean the same thing
False.
Mine has a much higher fire rate than a full auto.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:09 pm to bbvdd
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If tweet fails to load, click here. These are the "experts" that insist you aren't competent enough to own a gun.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:27 pm to bbvdd
quote:
“As weapons of war have become commonplace in America, so has the unfathomable carnage they wreak on our communities,” said John Feinblatt, president of Everytown for Gun Safety.
It is all window dressing to play on people's emotions. They only give a shite on the rare occurence that it happens in civilized society. Meanwhile, inner cities are war zones on a daily basis, but spray and pray while ducking and holding your gun sideways doesn't count as a "mass shooting".
Gotta float new laws to "save duh chillren" despite the fact that they are unwilling or unable to enforce the laws that are already on the books.
I say......frick em.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:28 pm to cgrand
quote:
The civilian AR15 in semi auto is for all reasonable purposes identical to the military issue rifle being used in “skirmishes” right this minute. I get that words mean something but in this case, they both mean the same thing
No, it isn't.
one is semi auto, one isn't semi auto.
They may look the same, but they are not the same.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:28 pm to Shexter
quote:
Ironically, the Hi-Point carbine that was used in several school shootings is not a gas operated rifle. It's a blowback design.
And there are plenty of semi-autos that are blowback and recoil-operated, including the CETME, G3, and their variants. Hell, the Maxim machine gun was a recoil-operated weapon.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:46 pm to bbvdd
quote:
No, it isn't.
one is semi auto, one isn't semi auto.
They may look the same, but they are not the same.
that is incorrect...one is semi-auto only
the other is select fire; semi-auto/3-shot burst/full auto
see...we both can play word games
if i dropped you into a "skirmish" as ground infantry, and handed you a choice of:
A) a bolt action rifle
B) a civilian AR15
which would you pick?
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:55 pm to cgrand
quote:
Similar to the stupid huffing about “clip” vs “magazine”.
If someone uses clip when referring to a magazine it gives me information about their competence. Such is the case with cement and concrete.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 1:01 pm to cgrand
quote:
if i dropped you into a "skirmish" as ground infantry, and handed you a choice of:
A) a bolt action rifle
B) a civilian AR15
If i dropped you into a "skirmish" as ground infantry, and handed you a choice of:
A) a civilian generic AR-15
B) a M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle
Which would you choose?
Posted on 6/6/24 at 1:14 pm to cgrand
quote:
that is incorrect...one is semi-auto only the other is select fire; semi-auto/3-shot burst/full auto
No light infantryman uses full auto or three round burst. They only carry 210 rounds....
There are machine gunners better suited for suppressive fire purposes.
As a matter of fact during basic training we got to the three round burst/ familiarization fire just so the soldiers could see how less accurate the rounds are.
Controlled pairs is what's taught.
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 6/6/24 at 1:40 pm to jangalang
quote:well there you go
No light infantryman uses full auto or three round burst.
quote:so, would you then agree with my statement earlier, that the civilian AR15 is for all reasonable purposes functionally identical to the standard issue combat rifle, in the hands of a typical human operator?
jangalang
Posted on 6/6/24 at 1:52 pm to rltiger
quote:
A) a civilian generic AR-15
B) a M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle
Which would you choose?
the M27 is not available to civilians, and i am not an infantryman
you guys playing strawman games are part of the reason that all of our gun rights are and remain in danger
"its not a rifle its a brace!!!"
no...its a fricking rifle. it shoulders, operates and fires exactly like a rifle
"an AR is not the same as an M4!!!
yes...yes they are the same thing, they shoulder, operate and fire exactly the same way. they are the same regardless of label
this kind of shite (disingenuous non-serious non-arguments) is what a-hole pandering politicians and ignorant gun grabbers point to when they try this shite. just own it...the AR15 is a weapon of war, full stop. i have one, you have one, we all have one. why? because i can
Posted on 6/6/24 at 1:59 pm to cgrand
quote:
so, would you then agree with my statement earlier, that the civilian AR15 is for all reasonable purposes functionally identical to the standard issue combat rifle, in the hands of a typical human operator?
Naturally
I have a civilian Colt M4 at the house. The only meaningful difference to me is the length of the barrel on the civilian versions are like an inch and a half longer.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 2:03 pm to cgrand
quote:
if i dropped you into a "skirmish" as ground infantry, and handed you a choice of: A) a bolt action rifle B) a civilian AR15 which would you pick?
Now who is playing games with words?
The whole reason for brace and other innovations is simply to legally take back rights we already have in the 2nd amendment but playing by their legal rules. You sound like one of those a t ef guys who is all “man i love the 2nd amendment but we should also revere common sense gun laws”
Seems we already lost you. Weve already given up the inches over the years…they are trying to take the miles now
Posted on 6/6/24 at 2:08 pm to rattlebucket
quote:no...my point is that if the only argument offered against 2A infringement is what 2 different labels we slap on on the same thing, we have all already lost. we have to make the right argument.
Seems we already lost you.
the rebuttal to the "weapons of war have no place in society" bleat is "yes they do"
Posted on 6/6/24 at 2:09 pm to cgrand
quote:
his kind of shite (disingenuous non-serious non-arguments) is what a-hole pandering politicians and ignorant gun grabbers point to when they try this shite. just own it...the AR15 is a weapon of war, full stop.
If they are the same as you say, then why does a transferable m16 that I can go out and buy cost $50k and I can absolutely not buy an M4 as none are transferable?
What's the difference?
You are the one that seems to be disingenuous..
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 2:37 pm
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