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Honest answers here, what do you feel should be the floor for lsu baseball each season
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:00 pm
Barring major injuries to starting position players or pitchers?
I feel like lsu should always be top 16. So always host a regional. If you do that more often then not you will get to a super regional and even host one some times.
This season was a failure. All facets of the game were bad either all at the time time or had games where two of three were not good. Team improved during the season for sure.
I feel like lsu should always be top 16. So always host a regional. If you do that more often then not you will get to a super regional and even host one some times.
This season was a failure. All facets of the game were bad either all at the time time or had games where two of three were not good. Team improved during the season for sure.
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Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:05 pm to Weaver
The amount of talent matriculating to the SEC each year has been an absolute sea change.
Margins are incredibly thin in our league and with what we replaced, the late start in recruiting the TP due to our natty run, a meat grinder first 5 weeks, some incredibly bad luck/fortune in those games, and a bevy of other excuses created the perfect storm.
To answer your question... yes top 16 should be the minimum but parity in college baseball.and college sports in general is dying and with NIL and the TP you'll continue to see a consolidation of talent,.which should conceivably lower the floor expectation for teams in our talent range.
Margins are incredibly thin in our league and with what we replaced, the late start in recruiting the TP due to our natty run, a meat grinder first 5 weeks, some incredibly bad luck/fortune in those games, and a bevy of other excuses created the perfect storm.
To answer your question... yes top 16 should be the minimum but parity in college baseball.and college sports in general is dying and with NIL and the TP you'll continue to see a consolidation of talent,.which should conceivably lower the floor expectation for teams in our talent range.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:07 pm to Weaver
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This season was a failure
In no world should LSU ever start conference play 3-12. But they rallied back from it and put together quite a run.
What did they call Apollo 13, a successful failure.
I think that perfectly describes 2024 LSU baseball.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 7:56 am
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:07 pm to Weaver
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I feel like lsu should always be top 16. If you do that more often then not you will get to a super regional and even host one some times
I would argue that LSU is one of the top 16 teams in the country but we play a ridiculous schedule that skews the record. Stick this team another conference and we are easily hosting this weekend.
I think it's reasonable to expect to host a regional almost every year, BUT the caveat is that doing that after winning a natty is harder than you think. The previous two natty winners before LSU didn't even make the tournament. I think not having Little this weekend may have been the difference b/t where we are right this minute vs. planning to host this coming weekend.
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This season was a failure.
Strongly disagree. We lost a lot after last season. I personally enjoyed the shite out of watching this team. I'm only upset that I'm done for about 8 months before I get to do it again.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:08 pm to Weaver
Do you follow baseball closely?? LSU was on track to be the 3rd defending national champion to miss the NCAA tournament… It was a true display of character and remarkable accomplishment for them to get it going the way they did down the stretch. And not just make the tournament, but go toe to toe with the #4 team in the country right down to the last dang pitch. They played 5 games over 4 days and just ran out of gas at the very end. UNC is the better team and that’s ok. That was a SEC super regional type atmosphere tonight. I’m a proud Tiger fan but to expect to win it all every year is just unrealistic especially in today’s college athletics. Be thankful for the memories this season and look forward to next! Jay will be back for vengeance!
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:08 pm to Weaver
It’s unreasonable to expect to host “always.” But regularly, sure.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:09 pm to Weaver
I mean overall I would say it's a disappointing season considering we won it all last year. But from where this team was at one point to where it finished you can't help but be proud of that.
The disappointment comes from seeing how much better the team was playing right now knowing they would've been at home against West Virginia next week with a great shot to return to Omaha. Would they have repeated as champs? Probably not but who knows. Would've been nice to go back though.
The disappointment comes from seeing how much better the team was playing right now knowing they would've been at home against West Virginia next week with a great shot to return to Omaha. Would they have repeated as champs? Probably not but who knows. Would've been nice to go back though.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:10 pm to Weaver
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I feel like lsu should always be top 16
While I agree, I think nuance needs to be applied.
I remember at the beginning of the season there was a thread saying we had a better than 50% chance of going to Omaha and I remember thinking then that was insane.
Like yeah, we're LSU we should reload and all that jazz, but this was basically an entirely new team this year. We not only lost the best pitcher and hitter this program has ever seen, we also lost 70% of our production at the plate and basically all of our pitching from last year.
I don't care how storied of a program you have, that's really fricking hard to recover from, especially with how cut throat the SEC is and the parity as a whole in college baseball.
So while I'm disappointed that we completely choked in a regional final with a clear path to Omaha on the line, I don't feel like this was a missed opportunity if that makes sense, because at no point did I feel like this team was a title contender. Going 0-2 in 2013 and wasting our pitching fighting out of the losers bracket in 2017 feel way worse, as does falling to Coastal in 2016.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:10 pm to Weaver
It’s not the 90’s anymore. The parity in the SEC is incredible. There will be some years that are down. The floor should be making the tournament with most seasons advancing to the supers, and Omaha the ultimate goal.
Jay Johnson is a great coach who eats and sleeps baseball. We are in good hands.
Jay Johnson is a great coach who eats and sleeps baseball. We are in good hands.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:10 pm to Weaver
They underachieved but it happens. I honestly believe the pitching staff was beginning to show what we all expected in preseason and if we could've gotten by UNC we would've made a deep run in Omaha. Baseball is hard and repeating is really hard but these guys were resilient. A lot of teams would have folded a long time ago. They had a target on their back all season and they got every teams toughest crowd.
But the regular season matters. If they play that team at home or in Omaha they win. They just dug themselves in too big of a hole. I always try to be very patient with judging a baseball team because it takes a while to peak, but this season tested my patience big time. I was counting them out in mid April, but they didn't quit and I can appreciate that. We got to watch some fun baseball
But the regular season matters. If they play that team at home or in Omaha they win. They just dug themselves in too big of a hole. I always try to be very patient with judging a baseball team because it takes a while to peak, but this season tested my patience big time. I was counting them out in mid April, but they didn't quit and I can appreciate that. We got to watch some fun baseball
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:11 pm to Weaver
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This season was a failure
The first 5 series of conference play were a failure, which ultimately put us in the position we were in tonight, having to beat the #4 team, on the road, twice.
And yet we were 1-2 plays away from doing just that.
But to answer your question, hosting a regional should be the floor.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:11 pm to Weaver
Expect to host a regional every year, clearly that won’t happen, but it is the expectation. Only right answer
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:12 pm to Weaver
I think we just witnessed the floor for LSU baseball under Jay Johnson. That's just to say, tough regional losses under Jay will be the floor.
We had no business making it this far after all the talent and leadership we lost last year. I know many like to ignore that, but it is what it is and it's very difficult to replace that type of generational talent and top notch leadership.
We had no business making it this far after all the talent and leadership we lost last year. I know many like to ignore that, but it is what it is and it's very difficult to replace that type of generational talent and top notch leadership.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:14 pm to Jake009
Never said I expect to win it. I said top 16 every year. That will get you a host site and probably into the supers. Do that and 50/50 chance to get to Omaha.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:19 pm to Weaver
Should advance to supers 2/3 years. This was a bad year but they finished strong. UNC is a cws caliber team.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:19 pm to Weaver
Floor: what we just had- a 40 win season and made a regional, advanced to the regional finals.
Expectation- we should be a national seed every year. That's top 8, and given the resources and prestige of the program, and the fact that we're more likely to spend NIL money on baseball players than anyone else, I think it's a reasonable expectation. Before you say "that's too much to expect", let me remind you that Alabama expects to be top 4 in football yearly, with a floor of 10 wins. And that's in a far more competitive sport.
Finishing under .500 in the SEC should not be acceptable. I get the conference is tough, but we like to say baseball is "our" sport. This program should be competing for the SEC title annually. We shouldn't be conceding that we can't keep up with Arkansas, Tennessee, Vandy, South Carolina or anyone else. It should be a given that we are a threat every year. When there's a logjam in the top 5 like this season, we should be in that mix.
Expectation- we should be a national seed every year. That's top 8, and given the resources and prestige of the program, and the fact that we're more likely to spend NIL money on baseball players than anyone else, I think it's a reasonable expectation. Before you say "that's too much to expect", let me remind you that Alabama expects to be top 4 in football yearly, with a floor of 10 wins. And that's in a far more competitive sport.
Finishing under .500 in the SEC should not be acceptable. I get the conference is tough, but we like to say baseball is "our" sport. This program should be competing for the SEC title annually. We shouldn't be conceding that we can't keep up with Arkansas, Tennessee, Vandy, South Carolina or anyone else. It should be a given that we are a threat every year. When there's a logjam in the top 5 like this season, we should be in that mix.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:20 pm to Weaver
They should be in a regional every year, hosting 8 out of every ten years and top 8 seed 6 out of 10. That’s my opinion given the magnitude of our program. The two years you don’t host are thrown in for things that happen, like injuries, etc. With that being said, no excuse for not hosting this year! No excuse for the sub par performance the first half of the season and I don’t give a dam where they’re ranked or when you play them! No excuse for losing that many series in a row to start conference play!
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:21 pm to tonydtiger
I think saying what kind of seed they should be is kind of irrelevant. If they aren’t hosting regularly but getting to supers/omaha regularly, then it doesn’t really matter.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:23 pm to Weaver
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what do you feel should be the floor for lsu baseball each season
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I feel like lsu should always be top 16
That’s fairly reasonable maybe 4 of every 5 years now that the coach is firmly established. But it’s also nuanced. You can be one of the best 16 teams and not be a regional host. Sometimes the schedule is tough for a large group of new starters to win immediately
Also, if we aren’t a host, are we just chalking it up to a disappointing season, or are we starting weekly fire coaches threads.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:24 pm to burdman
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I think saying what kind of seed they should be is kind of irrelevant. If they aren’t hosting regularly but getting to supers/omaha regularly, then it doesn’t really matter.
Well considering LSU has only once made it to a super regional when not hosting a regional and has never made it to Omaha in the current format when not hosting a regional, I'd say it does matter.
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