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re: Who’s in the wrong? Police cruiser vs. ATV
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:14 pm to CleverUserName
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:14 pm to CleverUserName
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No kidding? What time in the video does it show the dimensions of the car and the space in the rear?
You can see how wide the road is leading up to the crash. Unless Connecticut has some kind of super elongated police cruisers, there is enough room to pass by on the right.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:15 pm to CleverUserName
Now we are about to see his pivot come full turn.
I’ll give you this. I have no clue if the officer left enough room for this four wheeler to go around him but honestly, I don’t give a shite. His quick thinking likely saved lives. Period. End of story
I’ll give you this. I have no clue if the officer left enough room for this four wheeler to go around him but honestly, I don’t give a shite. His quick thinking likely saved lives. Period. End of story
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:15 pm to CleverUserName
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So we have two sets of laws?
Is this serious? There are a number of actions police are legally allowed to take that civilians can't.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:16 pm to jchamil
Dude has asked that question multiple times, and multiple times, I ignored it for obvious reasons
This isn’t even fun anymore
Or is it?
This isn’t even fun anymore
Or is it?
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:19 pm to TheRouxGuru
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Because this whole board has fricking united to try to explain how fricking retarded you are
No. Actually the entire board has managed to call me a cop hater. I’m not.
The whole board managed to say I am making excuses for the ATV rider.: I’m not.
The whole board managed to say I’m blaming it all on the cop. I’m not.
The whole board said the ATV rider had the entire right lane to escape the parked car. He didn’t.
The whole board is shown other examples of it being prosecutable for trying to be Good Samaritans and trying to save someone in their view. Don’t care.
The whole board is apparently now saying there are two sets of laws for the public and police officers. There isn’t.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:20 pm to CleverUserName
What angle was he parked at diagonally?
You provide that info and I’ll figure out which police vehicle was used and get the dimensions.
Then we can easily calculate the rough distance left on the opposite of the road where your boy landed.
And the entire road wasn’t blocked. You goof.
You provide that info and I’ll figure out which police vehicle was used and get the dimensions.
Then we can easily calculate the rough distance left on the opposite of the road where your boy landed.
And the entire road wasn’t blocked. You goof.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:22 pm to roadGator
I wouldn’t even waste your time because we all know he’s just gonna throw out more bullshite hypotheticals
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:24 pm to TheRouxGuru
That’s the thing. He can’t make more shite up now without looking stupid.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:25 pm to CleverUserName
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Based on what evidence?
Well, there’s the fact that the police chief specifically stated that the officer gave the rider an escape path, for starters.
Not that it made any difference.. the rider was going so fast he didn’t even get across the yellow line before flipping his ATV sideways.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:28 pm to lostinbr
Piss-poor driving.
And ATV's don't need a whole lane to work with.
Hell, by their very nature, they don't even need "road".
And ATV's don't need a whole lane to work with.
Hell, by their very nature, they don't even need "road".
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:29 pm to CleverUserName
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All I’m asking if it is legal if it were you or me that blocked this guy.. based on what we saw as possible danger.. and seriously injured this guy… would it have been lawful?
You would have let the kids get run over. You didn’t even want the cop to intervene. Now you want to act like you would?
You would be too worried about breaking some unknown law to protect kids from getting flattened.
This post was edited on 5/3/24 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:32 pm to roadGator
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What angle was he parked at diagonally? You provide that info and I’ll figure out which police vehicle was used and get the dimensions. Then we can easily calculate the rough distance left on the opposite of the road where your boy landed. And the entire road wasn’t blocked. You goof.
Why do I have to provide that? Everyone else has told me exactly what area is around the vehicle when there is no way to see.
Apparently there is a video from ahead or behind I’m missing.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:32 pm to roadGator
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without looking stupid.
I don’t think he’s worried about this
Otherwise, he would’ve stopped four pages ago
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:38 pm to CleverUserName
Because you said the cop blocked the entire road.
Provide the angle. I’ll do the rest. Shouldn’t be a problem for you since you know he blocked the entire road.
Will take me a minute to determine which vehicles that agency uses for their fleet and compare dash pictures.
I know it is not a recent Ford PIU so we have a decent start.
Provide the angle. I’ll do the rest. Shouldn’t be a problem for you since you know he blocked the entire road.
Will take me a minute to determine which vehicles that agency uses for their fleet and compare dash pictures.
I know it is not a recent Ford PIU so we have a decent start.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:41 pm to CleverUserName
quote:The ATV rider did not have the entire right lane.
The whole board said the ATV rider had the entire right lane to escape the parked car. He didn’t.
But he had space to go around the police vehicle. In the news video posted in this thread, the captain stated that the officer at the scene gave the ATV driver enough space to pass him, butt the ATV driver could not change lanes fast enough to avoid the police vehicle.
Moreover, the ATV driver had enough distance to stop before making impact with the police vehicle.
The police vehicle had its lights on. A police vehicle with flashing lights is pretty easy to see. I can't think of anything on that trail that would have been easier to see. And yet the ATV could not stop in time or turn to avoid the police vehicle.
The image shows how far the ATV is from the police vehicle when the police vehicle starts blocking the lane. The police officer saw the ATV before that point. Surely, the ATV driver would have seen the police vehicle with flashing lights at the same time or earlier.
That's at least a football field away. The ATV should have been able to stop or avoid colliding with the police vehicle within that distance.
Instead, the ATV driver does not appear to have reduced his speed significantly before running into the police vehicle. He hits the police vehicle at a dangerous speed.
Perhaps the ATV driver would have seen the cyclists and pedestrians in time to avoid them. Perhaps he could have slowed sufficiently to stop or avoid them. Perhaps not. The video of the ATV driver's reactions after the police vehicle pulled into his lane at 100 yards away strongly suggests that the cyclists and pedestrians were at great risk from this ATV driver.
If the ATV driver could not see or avoid the flashing lights police vehicle at 100 yards, how is he going to see or avoid the cyclists and pedestrians? The police vehicle was not blocking both lanes, and yet the ATV driver did not even control the ATV enough to go into the other lane.
The police officer had a choice to make. Block the ATV at a distance at which the ATV should have been able easily to stop before making contact with the police vehicle or take the risk that the ATV would have collided with a cyclist or pedestrian.
I think the police officer made a reasonable decision given the time constraints. The video of the ATV driver's reactions to the police vehicle at a distance of 100 yards suggests that the police officer made a reasonable decision.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:41 pm to roadGator
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You would have let the kids get run over. You didn’t even want the cop to intervene. Now you want to act like you would?
False. Never said that.
Again, false again before anyone says I’m making excuses or having sympathy for the ATV rider:
I have just one question that I ultimately wanted answered before the back and forth.
Where is the line **the law.. the legal standing** between using potential deadly force on a misdemeanor and no?
We can’t do it on simple DUI arrests without another injury. Even with kids present. Was the DUI a danger to pedestrians? Probably imminently?
We can’t on traffic violations.
Many people called Derek Chauvin justified. And I’m about to blow your mind here… I didn’t see imprisoning as necessary at all there with the circumstances at hand. But by people’s point here… he was a cop… he could do it. Well.. he’s in prison. The legal system went another way.
Here is another blow your mind moment.. I have no problem with pitting other vehicles if they are fleeing and it’s justified in black and white.
Someone just tell me the line and you have answered my question in this entire thread.
This post was edited on 5/3/24 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:45 pm to CleverUserName
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All I’m asking if it is legal if it were you or me that blocked this guy.. based on what we saw as possible danger.. and seriously injured this guy… would it have been lawful?
Well considering none of us would have been legally allowed to drive on that road (emergency vehicles are the only motor vehicles allowed) I’m going to go out on a limb and say no, it probably would not have been lawful.
If you or I were allowed to drive on that road it would be a completely different scenario. The pedestrians and cyclists wouldn’t have a reasonable expectation of being able to walk next to a guardrail with no shoulder without having to worry about vehicle traffic. In fact they would likely be in the road unlawfully themselves.
Further, while the ATV would likely still not be able to drive on the road legally, it wouldn’t be nearly as egregious (although still reckless considering the speed).
And then there’s the fact that “you or I” would not be there as sworn police officers, on duty, responding to reports of people illegally riding dirt bikes/ATVs on that specific road.
Which really illustrates why your hypotheticals are so stupid. They aren’t even good hypotheticals to use as analogues.
Despite all of that, I actually think there’s a chance that a person unlawfully driving on that road, with no badge or official justification, might still manage to evade charges if the ATV rider dies, on the basis of trying to save the innocent people who were in the line of fire. That’s how reckless the rider was.
Most reasonable people (I would suspect the vast majority in this thread) realize that there is a grey area between reasonable and unreasonable actions by police. I am more than willing to call the police out when they frick up.
This does not fall into in that grey area.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:46 pm to 0x15E
ATV rider reaped what he sowed…
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:46 pm to CleverUserName
There is not going to be a law against putting your parked vehicle between your boy speeding on an atv on a pedestrian path and children.
Stupid. Just stop. It’s stupid. A formal police policy wouldn’t even cover this due to the life and death decision that had to be made.
FFS and jiminy freaking christmas
Stupid. Just stop. It’s stupid. A formal police policy wouldn’t even cover this due to the life and death decision that had to be made.
FFS and jiminy freaking christmas
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