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re: Tucker Carlson has divided conservative social media with his take on the atomic bomb

Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:41 pm to
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
4376 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:41 pm to
Anyone that is blowing Carlson for this take please take the time to remember the Rape of Nanking.

Sometimes you have to make a statement to set the fricking tone for everyone.

We did that.
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 3:42 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262309 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:54 pm to
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Anyone that is blowing Carlson for this take please take the time to remember the Rape of Nanking.

Sometimes you have to make a statement to set the fricking tone for everyone.

We did that.


Indeed. I get fricking tired of people judging past events on modern ideals and technology. Its dumb.

We did what we had to do, Tucker is being a blowhard to get attention.
Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
19715 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:55 pm to
I'm evil as frick then.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262309 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:56 pm to
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It’s never a good thing to drop nuclear bombs.


I say it directly led to the "Long Peace" and the modern lifestyle we all enjoy today.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
4376 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:57 pm to
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We did what we had to do, Tucker is being a blowhard to get attention.


We are literally living in a country with the greatest military ever to exist on this planet.

This is not an opinion.
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 3:58 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124349 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 4:04 pm to
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Without the nuke, we'd have lost another million deaths in conquering Japan.
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Goodness Gracious...NO.
Goodness Gracious...You are joking? Right?

Casualty estimates for American forces ranged from 220,000 to several million. Internal planning was for ONE MILLION US casualties. Both American and Japanese officials at the time predicted a Japanese death toll in the millions. Estimates of Japanese military and civilian casualties ran well into the TENS OF MILLIONS.

You are exceedingly dismissive of best estimates at the time vs what you suppose those estimates shouda, coulda, mighta looked like ... knowing what we "know" now.

Summarize it this way, Tucker's OP opinion is imbecilic, and you agree with it.
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
27532 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 4:08 pm to
No he hasn't. It's called critical thinking. I happen to disagree with him on this but agree with 90% of everything else.

While you dipshits are divided by ancient fricking history, Marxist are in lock step to destroy the future. All of you need to pull your heads out of your asses. This internal shite has become the new shitshow.
Posted by MAADFACTS
Member since Jul 2021
1280 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 4:10 pm to
Eh, my wife’s grandfather was in the Bataan Death March. He weighed less than 85 lbs when Japan surrendered despite being over 6 ft tall. If the trade off is the existence of my wife or every Japanese person, I’ll take her every single time. frick this Swanson frozen dinner pussy
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262309 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 4:10 pm to
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We are literally living in a country with the greatest military ever to exist on this planet.


Indeed.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262309 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 4:25 pm to
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'm evil as frick then.


We all are. Duality of man. The ability to do good and evil, tell the spiritual from material.

I figured I would get to know my evil side well (Jung stuff) and it led to a much greater understanding of who I am.

quote:

“Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate.”
- C.G. Jung
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 4:28 pm
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64560 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 7:52 pm to
quote:

So ONE Japanese Admiral speculated on his own estimate. So THAT makes his claim as well as the US State Dept/ MIC claims irrefutably true and factual?


It makes it a far more informed opinion than yours.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124349 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:29 am to
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I question the premises of both presumption and necessity.

Why was it absolutely necessary that Japan be invaded by US Troops? Why was it necessary to force Japan to "surrender un-conditionally" AND be occupied?

Somehow I missed this jewel.

First off, Japan did not surrender unconditionally.

Japan simply surrendered, and we categorized it as we liked. It's six and one half dozen though. Obviously any conditions they placed on surrender, such as preservation of their emperor, were practicably moot once occupation was in effect. Similar to Versailles, the terms struck after surrender could well have differed from preterm understanding. But, in this instance they really didn't. Nevertheless, Japanese surrender was not unconditional, though Truman termed it that way.

Why was occupation necessary?
Because our intent was to change the mentality of Japanese society from a state-devoted militaristic totalitarian accepting populace to a less threatening, more friendly democracy. Our hope was to not end up in WWIII 20 yrs later as had happened after "the war to end all wars" in 1918. That could not happen without occupation, removal of totalitarians, and prosecution of war criminals, combined with implementation of democratic processes.

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IF the US goobermint was truly worried about a Soviet invasion and occupation of Japan, why did the US overlords completely underwrite, FINANCE and EQUIP the big bad Soviet war machine?
You took offense earlier when I noted you don't do history. But it's clear you don't. Sorry if that offends.

The "US goobermint" found itself on the oppositional side of the Axis Alliance.
Initially, the USSR did not.

In fact the USSR was happy to ally with Germany. Then things changed. Germany invaded the USSR. It was a big deal at the time. You should read about it. It was really cold, and bunches of folks were killed. That made Germany and the USSR enemies.

We were enemies of Germany as well.
There is an old saying, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Our relationship with the USSR epitomized that.
So "the US overlords underwrote, financed, and equipped the big bad Soviet war machine."

Toward the end of WWII, it was obvious that the USSR intended to maintain control over, and communize, the countries it occupied. It had those designs on Japan as well. In August 1945, with Germany subjugated, the USSR turned on Japan. The American public would have been fairly happy (in the moment) for the "US goobermint" to stand back and let Soviets get killed occupying Japan, as had occurred months earlier in Berlin. Fortunately, the "US goobermint" recognized the long game in terms of Soviet influence, and ended WWII before the USSR could turn Japan into a divided communist/non-communist state like Germany, Korea, and Vietnam.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20509 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:59 am to
I think the whole issue is too complicated and gray to simply call 1 thing out as "evil".
War at it's core is bad, but often necessary to prevent or stop something worse.

Yes, we nuked a couple of cities in Japan. Yes, that's terrible. It's terrible that they attacked us at Pearl Harbor, and what they did to the countries they occupied. They wouldn't have been nuked if they hadn't done those things, and continued to fight when we had pushed them back across the Pacific.

Outside of the avoidance of casualties in an invasion of the islands (the only other way they would eventually surrender), those bombs sent a message to the USSR- don't test the Americans regarding the defense of Western Europe. It stopped World War 3 from kicking off a couple years later, after several decades of war. So in those cases, you could argue that it was beneficial.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57967 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 5:16 am to
Tucker is very anti-war. He has some 60's hippie tendencies.

He's wrong with this take. The alternative would have been worse for America and Japan. Many more people would have died including a lot more civilians. We already lost 400,000 soldiers before the atomic bombs.

No one is ecstatic about killing civilians or celebrating it.
Posted by BradBallard
Wilmington, Delaware
Member since Jun 2020
363 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 5:22 am to
The US was tired of war in August 1945 while at the same time gearing up for the invasion of Japan. In Japan, surrender wasn’t viewed like it was in Europe. Your platoon is surrounded and its hopeless? A European and American platoon would surrender. Japanese units would fight to the last man. It would have looked a lot like Stalingrad and the Eastern Front. All morality left the building years earlier.

Our country would have been torn apart by revolution if it was found out that we had the war winning card (the bomb), and didn’t play it while losing hundreds of thousands of men. What answer would Truman have to say to the millions that lost loved ones? A Japanese life was more valuable than your son?


Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14282 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 5:42 am to
Nobody argues that dropping the bombs were a good thing…the argument is that it was necessary and justified.
Posted by AUauditor
Georgia
Member since Sep 2004
1056 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:00 am to
I believe is getting closer and closer to the deep end for some reason.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20832 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:19 am to
Carlson is almost dismissive of anyone that might hold the opinion that it was necessary to drop the bombs.

It’s almost like he’s just playing a part…
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65147 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:36 am to
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First off, Japan did not surrender unconditionally.



Uh, yeah they did. When they surrendered on August 14, they told our government that they were surrendering to the terms we gave them in the Potsdam Declaration of July 26 - which called for unconditional surrender. Initially they had wanted to keep their emperor, disallow any occupation by foreign troops of the home islands, and control over any war crimes trials of Japanese military and civilian authorities. While they did end up keeping their emperor, that was ultimately a decision made by Truman on the recommendation of General MacArthur.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
8857 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:44 am to
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I believe [Tucker] is getting closer and closer to the deep end for some reason.


Tucker is wading into the "deep end" (see: tRabbit Hole) -- this is the primary "reason" for his "altered" positions:

He's merely he's pursued truth and opened his eyes to Reality for the first time in his DC-sheltered, indoctrinated life. AND NOW SHARING IT. It's a beautiful thing. (If 2020 didn't open eyes, NOTHING will.)

In his "previous life", he (like most of us) he merely swallowed same steady diet of whatever Indoctrination bullsh# and lies tElites have been flinging at us since its rotten Prussian school system took root.

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