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Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:31 pm to BuckyCheese
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ummmmmmm..........
3 years, even better.
This post was edited on 4/21/24 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:32 pm to udtiger
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He's entitled to his comfortable, 80 years after the fact opinion.
This was just said around here a few days ago. It is a scientific unknown what Japan would have done if we displayed a bomb off the coast. That is a fact. What is also a fact is that Japan raped, killed, decapitated and ate their enemy. Japan considered all but themselves ANIMALS. And their treatment was in line with this. What ifs abound. But the facts show that they surrendered unconditionally. And the killing stopped. Tucker just read Oppenheimer so I understand a little.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:32 pm to thermal9221
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I’m serious, you’re a bitch arse soft dude.
The soft ones are Tucker and you.
I can assess the situation and say America did what America needed to do.
Tucker clearly thinks there is zero justification and America is evil for doing what America had to do.
You seem to think so too.
You have no nuts.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:33 pm to Azkiger
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I think you're confusing provoked with random. No, the attack wasn't a random action taken by Japan. There was history behind it. But it was unprovoked.
you clearly don't know what unprovoked is. what do you think an embargo is? during WW2 the US wanted access to the region. we wanted a port in mainland China and ports in Southeast Asia.
Japan was getting rowdy and planned to conquer the whole region. the last straw was when they moved in on Southeast Asia. US imposed an embargo, Japan had no other choice but to attack.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:33 pm to Azkiger
What?
JFC
JFC
This post was edited on 4/21/24 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:33 pm to RollTide1987
Love Tucker but his is out of his mind on this.
My Dad was shot down in the Phillipines December 24, 1944. He was rescued the next day. I have his DFC (Distinguished Flying Cross).
He was in the states at the time of surrender. But without the bombs he would have been heading back to the Pacific for the Japanese invasion.
My Dad was shot down in the Phillipines December 24, 1944. He was rescued the next day. I have his DFC (Distinguished Flying Cross).
He was in the states at the time of surrender. But without the bombs he would have been heading back to the Pacific for the Japanese invasion.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:34 pm to goatmilker
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What is also a fact is that Japan raped, killed, decapitated and ate their enemy. Japan considered all but themselves ANIMALS. And their treatment was in line with this.
Fat Bastard thinks they were gallant.
Typical for those who hate America on here.
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t is a scientific unknown what Japan would have done if we displayed a bomb off the coast.
Well considering they kept fighting even though we dropped one on one of their cities I would say the answer to a bomb dropped off their cost is they would have kept fighting.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:35 pm to Boodis Man
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also, the japanese were indeed considering surrendering before nukes were used.
They were willing to surrender with terms. The deal was unconditional surrender, which the Japanese could not accept. When the Allies publicly unveiled their unconditional surrender terms on July 26 at Potsdam, the Japanese refused to respond. The U.S. gave the Japanese a week and a half to say something. Their silence told us everything we needed to know. So we dropped the bomb on Hiroshima. When they continued their radio silence ploy we then dropped another bomb on Nagasaki. Only then did they start to talk to us.
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their emperor wouldn't have let tokyo get destroyed
Spoiler alert: he already had let Tokyo be destroyed. Read up on the Firebombing of Tokyo:
Wikipedia
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:36 pm to goatmilker
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What?
JFC
Japan lost their carriers and the war during the Battle of Midway.
An opponent who knows the war is over but isn't surrendering won't surrender easily.
Therefore, the bombs were necessary.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:36 pm to RollTide1987
This post was edited on 4/25/24 at 8:45 am
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:37 pm to Boodis Man
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their emperor wouldn't have let tokyo get destroyed
he already had. Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:37 pm to Goonie02
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Japan had no other choice but to attack.
Damn, if only they had agency the attack might not have happened...
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:38 pm to Goonie02
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Japan had no other choice but to attack.
What a canard. Start a war kill millions because you can't buy oil from someone? You are a loon or a tard I don't know which. The Japs needed more oil because they where invading and expanding. Did you not know this?
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Therefore, the bombs were necessary.
Gotcha
This post was edited on 4/21/24 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:39 pm to Goonie02
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I swear the state of the education in this country is a joke. yes America had every right to embargo oil to Japan. they were encroaching on US interests in Asia. Japan technically attacked the US when it invaded the Philippines because that region used to belong to the US. Philippines was US territory until after WW2 when we granted them independence.
Right. And you can shoot someone in the face for cutting you off because clearly they “provoked” you.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:40 pm to RollTide1987
The right decision isn't always the moral decision is the co text I took from this
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:42 pm to jmarto1
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:42 pm to Goonie02
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Japan had no other choice but to attack.
Or they could have, I don't know, withdrawn their forces from mainland China? Or at the very least they could have simply ignored Hong Kong, Singapore, and the Philippines and just have gone for the oil in the Dutch East Indies.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:43 pm to Damone
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Tuck is right again. Hard to believe that with all we now know, some still think the US had to drop the bomb(s) to get Japan to capitulate.
If you can find any still living, you should go ask the vets of the Pacific theater if dropping the bomb was the right idea.. growing up with relatives that fought in both theaters, I can tell you that they generally held no animosity towards German soldiers. That feeling was quite the opposite in terms of the Japanese. They absolutely fricking hated them to the core with a white hot fricking passion.
The savagery of the Japanese soldier, the extreme fanaticism led in many instances to standing orders that any Japanese body was to be bayoneted. We sealed Japanese soldiers alive in tunnels because they refused to surrender and it cost us less lives than going into the tunnels and fighting them. Anyone who thinks invading the Japanese homeland wouldn’t have been complete carnage is a fool, and despite the devastation of the bombs it probably saved more Japanese lives than turning an entire country into cannon fodder.
There are lots on interviews on YouTube with old Pacific theater vets. Go sit down for a few hours and listen to them… saw one a while back where he talked about how they captured a Japanese soldier but it was too dangerous to take him back and they couldn’t set him free and they certainly couldn’t advance with him. Pretty much had zero choice but to dispose of him because any other option would have been a death sentence to the American soldier.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:45 pm to Goonie02
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you clearly don't know what unprovoked is. what do you think an embargo is? during WW2 the US wanted access to the region. we wanted a port in mainland China and ports in Southeast Asia. Japan was getting rowdy and planned to conquer the whole region. the last straw was when they moved in on Southeast Asia. US imposed an embargo, Japan had no other choice but to attack.
It’s always Americas fault on here.
It’s like we have a message board made up of cal Berkeley graduates from the 60s
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