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re: The only way to fix Congress is through a convention of the states.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 1:03 pm to wackatimesthree
Posted on 4/16/24 at 1:03 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:If you notice reality, your enemies might call you a bad name. When you try to appease them, you adopt their morality and give them power over you.
I wonder why people keep calling us "White Nationalists?"
Posted on 4/16/24 at 1:04 pm to Taxing Authority
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They'll deadlock it until they get what they want. Just like the House of Reprentatives.
How? I think our best chances of fixing something are in a body where South Dakota has as much power as California. I don't see how libs would be able to deadlock it given there are more conservative/right-leaning states than there are liberal/left-leaning states.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 1:05 pm to David_DJS
quote:Ok. I'm sure it'll be fine.
How? I think our best chances of fixing something are in a body where South Dakota has as much power as California. I don't see how libs would be able to deadlock it given there are more conservative/right-leaning states than there are liberal/left-leaning states.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 1:07 pm to Taxing Authority
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Ok. I'm sure it'll be fine
I'm trying to understand your objection.
Why wouldn't a COS be fine for the American Right? I can't think of another "venue" where the Right has a voting advantage.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 1:08 pm to David_DJS
quote:I've already explained it. It's just not that complicated.
I'm trying to understand your objection.
quote:Ok.
Why wouldn't a COS be fine for the American Right? I can't think of another "venue" where the Right has a voting advantage.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 4/16/24 at 1:20 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
The constitution needs:
1. A one object rule/germaneness rule for legislation
2. Some guidelines for budgeting (balanced budget shouldn’t always be the requirement, but usually).
3. Defined powers and limitations for what Congress can/cannot grant to administrative agencies
4. Some cleaning up and defining of the “necessary and proper”, “waters of the united states”, “navigable waters”, and “interstate commerce” clauses
5. Some precise language regarding the 2nd amendment, such as “the right of all citizens to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed”
There’s a lot of other things which could certainly be arguable or addressable, but these are the most important, imo. These could massively and fundamentally change the balance of federal power.
1. A one object rule/germaneness rule for legislation
2. Some guidelines for budgeting (balanced budget shouldn’t always be the requirement, but usually).
3. Defined powers and limitations for what Congress can/cannot grant to administrative agencies
4. Some cleaning up and defining of the “necessary and proper”, “waters of the united states”, “navigable waters”, and “interstate commerce” clauses
5. Some precise language regarding the 2nd amendment, such as “the right of all citizens to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed”
There’s a lot of other things which could certainly be arguable or addressable, but these are the most important, imo. These could massively and fundamentally change the balance of federal power.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 1:22 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Tarring and feathering would help.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 1:22 pm to TigerB8
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"they" have found a way to game the system/constitution. we need a reset where some changes need to be made to the constitution. It willl never be allowed to happen, but it's not working anymore. Term limits, fed gov size limits, all things that need to happen but they will never vote their free money away.
If you are talking about the historically established process of proposing and passing additional amendments when you say "we need a reset," sure, go for it.
If you're talking about anything else, you are a fool. Do you guys calling for an Article 5 Convention realize that there are no rules for one? State delegates to such a convention are not beholden to anyone. They can meet in secret. Even in secret from Congress, who has to ratify their conventions. They can propose anything they want...they are not limited to certain proposals like term limits. They could literally propose that we abolish the previous constitution in its entirety and become a monarchy with Dylan Mulvaney as king AND queen of the country and if it were ratified that would be the law of the land.
If "The Uniparty" decided to "reset" the constitution, the first thing to be cut out of it would be the 2nd amendment. Then the first amendment. Then the 10th. Then somebody would get the idea that it would be a lot easier to selectively prosecute political enemies if we got rid of due process requirements and such, so there would go the 4th, 5th, and 14th.
Juries are pretty stupid and easily manipulated, so they'd probably leave the 6th and 7th alone. But the temptation to be able to punish Trump any way they chose would get the best of them and they'd 86 the 8th. Probably the 9th as well...again for ease of selective prosecution of political enemies.
You get the idea. The very last thing you want to do if you do not trust the current system/ Congress is call for an Article 5 Convention.
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but it's not working anymore
Sure it is.
This is the worst thing that has happened in our country and will end up being its demise.
The left has long held that view. It's only fairly recently that the right has picked it up and started singing the same song.
Name a time in the history of this country in particular and the entire world in general when life was easier, more comfortable, when more people had civil rights protections, when quality of life was better, when people had more leisure time, when there was less racism, less sexism, more tolerance for minorities, more freedom, more opportunity, etc., etc., etc.
I can't.
In the entire history of the world.
I bet you can't either.
The greatest trick that the media and Hollywood and academia have come up with is convincing everybody that the world is failing and we have to burn the system down to save it.
It's NOT failing. It's chugging along just fine. There is no emergency.
There's no climate emergency. There's no government emergency. There's no energy emergency. There's no economic emergency.
The closest thing we've got to an emergency is the amount of money we're in debt as a country, and neither POTUS candidate we've got this time around is going to stop that, so we might better be wiser voters in the primaries next time.
People have got to stop letting those who profit from it (Tucker Carlson, MSM) twist them into such a bunch and get them thinking we're ALWAYS in an emergency situation and it's imperative that we mount an immediate revolution. It's not. Calm down. Quit letting them manipulate you into a tizzy all the time.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 4/16/24 at 1:26 pm to Mizzou Mule
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Do you think Congress will approve term limits on themselves??? This issue alone is why there should be a Convention of the States.
It’s sad that in a lot of ways, term limits would be a measure to protect us from ourselves as voters.
These people don’t put themselves in office. Unfortunately voters end up keeping them in there forever.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 1:37 pm to wackatimesthree
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They could literally propose that we abolish the previous constitution in its entirety and become a monarchy with Dylan Mulvaney as king AND queen of the country and if it were ratified that would be the law of the land.
Who cares? It only matters if you think there are 38 state legislatures that want Dylan Molvaney as king and queen.
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If "The Uniparty" decided to "reset" the constitution, the first thing to be cut out of it would be the 2nd amendment.
Question. Where would your chances be better to repeal the 2nd amendment? -
In congress, where (for example) California and New York have nearly 20% of the votes, or in a COS where they have exactly 4% of the votes?
Posted on 4/16/24 at 1:39 pm to Ostrich
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Term limits would just make lobbyists and congressional staff way more powerful.
I find that incredibly hard to believe. Every 2 to 6 years the lobbyists have to settle in with the "new" congressional member who understands the limits of the office term. A brand new animal with its own staff emerges due to the requirement of service as opposed to being motivated for a lifetime in Washington.
Who wants to come home after two terms with nothing to show for it?
Posted on 4/16/24 at 1:44 pm to Timeoday
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I find that incredibly hard to believe. Every 2 to 6 years the lobbyists have to settle in with the "new" congressional member who understands the limits of the office term. A brand new animal with its own staff emerges due to the requirement of service as opposed to being motivated for a lifetime in Washington. Who wants to come home after two terms with nothing to show for it?
Problem is it takes 1-2 terms to know WTF you are doing as a Member of Congress. It’s impossible to be an expert on all the issues you are voting on. So high-paid lobbyists, and staff (who theoretically aren’t subject to term limits) will be the ones drafting legislation, more so than they already are.
And don’t get me wrong, there is a need for lobbyists. Good ones can provide the expertise and knowledge on an issue that Members and their staff lack. Term limits just won’t make DC any less swampy like you may think. Source - I am a lobbyist.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 1:48 pm
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