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Biden ‘sleepwalking’ into ‘catastrophic war,’ expert says

Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:02 am
Posted by WPBTiger
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Member since Nov 2011
33012 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:02 am
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President Biden is “sleepwalking” the US into another “catastrophic” war in the Middle East, an expert says, as Israel prepares a retaliatory strike after Iran’s historic missile bombardment over the weekend.

Biden, 81, is facing mounting pressure to silence critics who claim he’s allowed tensions in the region to escalate, as the threat of an Israeli counterstrike on Iran looms.


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“The strategy of the Biden administration has failed miserably. Biden is sleepwalking the US into another catastrophic war in the Middle East,” Fawaz Gerges, professor of International Relations and Middle Eastern Politics at the London School of Economics told NBC News.

“His overarching goal of preventing the war in Gaza from escalating into neighboring countries has failed. Biden has failed to influence [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu’s decisions either in Gaza or towards Iran.”
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
29161 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:03 am to
"Sleepwalking" insinuates this is accidental.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
30419 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:28 am to
The whole idea that he can instruct Israel to just ignore this attack since yhe results weren't that bad is textbook liberal idealism and could not be more disconnected from reality. The same goes for his "please just don't" statement to Iran.

It's just objectively stupid. Who in the frick do we think we are?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
99597 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 9:47 am to
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Who in the frick do we think we are?


America, frick yeah! Coming again to save the motherfricking day yeah!


Seriously though, we have been the hyper power for so long that these idiots think that we fully dictate other countries’ actions instead of shaping them toward our ends.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
38097 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 10:01 am to
There is nothing Biden can, or should, do to prevent Israel from trying to handle their business.

We need to stay TF out and let them deal with it.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 10:02 am to
Here's some more from Fawaz:

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Meanwhile, skirmishes on the Israel-Lebanon border and US-led airstrikes on Houthi positions in Yemen and on Iranian-backed militias in Iraq suggest that the conflict may yet escalate further. America and Britain are gradually being sucked into the region yet again, though with eyes wide open this time. Biden claimed to represent a clean break from Donald Trump, but there is no daylight between them when it comes to the Middle East. There and in much of the Global South, Biden will be remembered as just another American president who devalued Arab lives, preaching democracy while supporting repression and violence.


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He's mostly upset that the US won't rein in Israel.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
11742 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 10:06 am to
Dems love them some war

Wait until China moved on Taiwan. He claims we'll defend Taiwan militarily. That's the end right there.
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
47049 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 10:09 am to
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Biden claimed to represent a clean break from Donald Trump, but there is no daylight between them when it comes to the Middle East.
None whatsoever......

Except that Trump was able to achieve

A. historic peace agreements,
B. an agreement to leave Afghanistan a slow controlled manner to ensure a peaceful and orderly transition
C. Put Iran in it's place.

Other than that, meh, two sides of the same coin. Sure.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
24758 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 10:09 am to
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The whole idea that he can instruct Israel to just ignore this attack since yhe results weren't that bad is textbook liberal idealism and could not be more disconnected from reality. The same goes for his "please just don't" statement to Iran.

So he should order an attack?

What are you proposing?
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 10:13 am to
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None whatsoever......

Except that Trump was able to achieve

A. historic peace agreements,
B. an agreement to leave Afghanistan a slow controlled manner to ensure a peaceful and orderly transition
C. Put Iran in it's place.

Other than that, meh, two sides of the same coin. Sure.


That's Fawaz's claim.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
5687 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 10:20 am to
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So he should order an attack?

What are you proposing?


I don't think he's saying that at all.

I think he's saying that we can't control Israel so if Israel counterattacks over this, the US is irrelevant to the situation. We have nothing to do with what Israel does or does not do.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
30419 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 10:29 am to
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So he should order an attack?

What are you proposing?


Specifically I am proposing that he has no authority, need, or reason to tell Israel they can or cannot do anything. They are a sovereign nation, not a US vassal state. We have zero part to play in how they respond to an attack from another sovereign nation in a war that has nothing to do with the US
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
24758 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 10:31 am to
Israel has always decided for itself what actions to take. The release publicly of comments between Israel and the U.S. are for some kind of messaging or propaganda and are scripted and controlled. I wouldn’t read too much into public statements.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
57833 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 10:33 am to
They rely on us for support. I think it's naive to say we are independent of all this. Here is tl:dr rant on that whole subject.
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Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
30258 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 10:43 am to
Would he rather a more robust response featuring US "leadership" that would end up putting us in the same position that we are in now with sleepwalking leadership?
I'm confused as to what Gerges means by that. We are not going to get into a catastrophic war. We wring our hands about this with anxieties stoked by by politicians here and the media, but in the end neither the militaries or the leaders want this to happen.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
15345 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:11 am to
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Who in the frick do we think we are?



I can't speak for you, but I think we're the ones funding this shite while projecting historic weakness.
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