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re: What amazes me about the abortion issue....
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:59 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:59 pm to 4cubbies
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Reading this made me audibly laugh. You must be fun at parties.
Are you still taking notes?
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because I know him? I never claimed to be impartial. No one is, anyway.
Of course, which is why your "human dignity" nonsense fails.
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you explicitly warned me not to challenge you on who is more educated of the two of us. Are we backpedaling now?
That point sailed right over your head.
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Of course.
Did you think you had something there?
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Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:06 pm to GoAwayImBaitn
Why do you have any DV’s is astonishing!
Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
You really are an idiot!
Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:09 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:you took it too far. This made me roll my eyes. Sometimes you need to quit while you’re ahead.
Are you still taking notes?
quote:Only if you believe humans are only capable of operating based on emotions. Considering all the digs you made at me accusing me of being emotional, I have to assume you at least believe you are above acting emotionally.
which is why your "human dignity" nonsense fails.
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Did you think you had something there?
Well you sort of gave the impression you believe in the principle of Utility with your abortion stance, but your post history highlights your healthy ego.
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:14 pm to 4cubbies
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you took it too far. This made me roll my eyes. Sometimes you need to quit while you’re ahead.
You didn't answer my question.
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Only if you believe humans are only capable of operating based on emotions.
Humans are primarily driven by emotion, yes.
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Considering all the digs you made at me accusing me of being emotional, I have to assume you at least believe you are above acting emotionally.
Yes, but I also don't subscribe to the idea that all humans have the same value.
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Well you sort of gave the impression you believe in the principle of Utility with your abortion stance, but your post history highlights your healthy ego.
You seem to believe that calling someone a utilitarian is an insult.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:21 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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You didn't answer my question.
quote:then why single me out with accusations of being emotional? I think we both know the answer to that but I’m interested to see what you’re willing to admit.
Humans are primarily driven by emotion, yes.
quote:i do. Utilitarianism is a thoughtless cop out.
You seem to believe that calling someone a utilitarian is an insult.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:31 pm to 4cubbies
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That's not an answer, either.
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then why single me out with accusations of being emotional? I think we both know the answer to that but I’m interested to see what you’re willing to admit.
I didn't single you out. You're the person with whom I'm currently discussing the topic. You aren't the first person I've accused of being emotional, and you won't be the last.
What was your answer? You weren't going to call me an old white dude again, were you?
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i do.
K. It isn't.
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Utilitarianism is a thoughtless cop out.
Only if you're an absolutist...
Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:41 pm to GoAwayImBaitn
The answer to abortion is simple if you believe it's murder don't get one. Mind your business live your life and move past needing to make choices for everyone else....
Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:42 pm to oklahogjr
so murder is ok for someone that believes murder is ok? 
what a clown.
what a clown.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:46 pm to BugAC
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Then you're just racist. Yes i understood it because it always seems like abortion defenders always expose themselves. Just admit, you want abortion for the Eugenics factor of it all. It has nothing to do with "women's rights" or any of that other bullshite. You want life exterminated that you deem inferior. Which, ironically, is the exact same position the founder of Planned Parenthood (Margaret Sanger), and it's founding "doctors" also believed.
Why are you yappin so much bro. Good lord
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:33 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:42 pm to RebelExpress38
They missed one, and really the only one that matters...
Posted on 4/10/24 at 11:19 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:The obvious answer is no.
That's not an answer, either.
quote:if you admitted all humans are emotion- driven, why call some people emotional? You’re clearly using it as an insult.
I didn't single you out. You're the person with whom I'm currently discussing the topic. You aren't the first person I've accused of being emotional, and you won't be the last.
quote:depends, how many more times do I get to see you call me a 40 year old or mock me for going back to school? It makes you come off really insecure.
What was your answer? You weren't going to call me an old white dude again, were you?
quote:only to people with morals.
It isn't.
quote:or possess a moral compass.
Only if you're an absolutist...
Posted on 4/10/24 at 11:33 pm to 4cubbies
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Was it you argues that abortion bans don’t restrict the liberties of citizens because dead babies?
Wut? English please
quote:Good thing I didn't argue they were.
Fetuses aren’t citizens
quote:Water is wet.
Most women in the US are
quote:I advocate not allowing the killing of humans. US Law does not, nor has it ever differentiated killing by where someone was born.
You advocate for restricting the liberty of citizens to protect non-citizens.
quote:You do realize that your silly argument works in revers too. Right? As in, I highly doubt you would be OK if the law allowed me to kill illegal immigrants. So, YOU obviously advocate for the rights of non-citizens over MY right as a citizen.
Why wouldn’t that position extended to immigrants?
Yeah. That's dumb. Go back to the drawing board and come up with some other complete nonsense.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:30 am to 4cubbies
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The obvious answer is no.
OK, cool. Glad that's behind us, then.
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if you admitted all humans are emotion- driven, why call some people emotional? You’re clearly using it as an insult.
There's a difference between being emotionally-driven and being incapable of thinking beyond emotion.
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depends, how many more times do I get to see you call me a 40 year old or mock me for going back to school? It makes you come off really insecure.
You realize that came after your petty comments about old white dudes, right?
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only to people with morals.
This doesn't make any sense.
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or possess a moral compass.
Neither does this.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:25 am to Animal
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It should be a state issue. Fed government should have nothing to do with it whatsoever.
Can you explain to me why should abortion be a state issue?
Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:47 am to Rza32
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Can you explain to me why should abortion be a state issue?
because it's not the role of the federal government. this is the role of the federal government.
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These limited powers are set forth as what are termed “enumerated powers” in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution. These enumerated powers include, among other things, the power to levy taxes, regulate commerce, establish a uniform law of naturalization, establish federal courts (subordinate to the Supreme Court), establish and maintain a military, and declare
role of the state governments.
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As James Madison explained, “[t]he powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.”
Posted on 4/11/24 at 6:14 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Again, somewhat agree but where does a society draw that line?
"Someone" make decisions all the time that society at large rejects almost as if it is ingrained.
The problem here is secular vs. spiritual. It is not black and white for a lot folks. That is why I recognize that it must be governed somehow but I don't think it should be the feds.
Let the states take it up. Let people live in the state that aligns with their opinion.
I think we fought a war over some similar shite once upon a time.
I am so glad that my state lost that war because I could not imagine even wanting to own another person but I also hate the behemoth that was created to achieve that end...end justifying the means type shite. But nobody can make a persuasive argument that state's rights did not took a huge hit and the "National" government never returned what is truly state sovereignty. We were intended to be a coalition of sovereign nations that work together. So the 13th amendment freed deserving people in one aspect but simultaneously enslaved all the "states" at the same instant.
These thoughts are in earnest. No troll in this post.
"Someone" make decisions all the time that society at large rejects almost as if it is ingrained.
The problem here is secular vs. spiritual. It is not black and white for a lot folks. That is why I recognize that it must be governed somehow but I don't think it should be the feds.
Let the states take it up. Let people live in the state that aligns with their opinion.
I think we fought a war over some similar shite once upon a time.
I am so glad that my state lost that war because I could not imagine even wanting to own another person but I also hate the behemoth that was created to achieve that end...end justifying the means type shite. But nobody can make a persuasive argument that state's rights did not took a huge hit and the "National" government never returned what is truly state sovereignty. We were intended to be a coalition of sovereign nations that work together. So the 13th amendment freed deserving people in one aspect but simultaneously enslaved all the "states" at the same instant.
These thoughts are in earnest. No troll in this post.
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 6:32 am
Posted on 4/11/24 at 6:29 am to Rza32
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an you explain to me why should abortion be a state issue?
Sort of. The governance should be closer to the people on such things. The Fed is to broad. The state may be as well. Local is likely too small. Individual would lack accountability.
I am a pro-lifer but I have no Uterus. I get the argument that I believe you would make...and I understand to a degree.
Thing is that it is arbitrary...assuming you are prochoice.
What you may consider a private decision between a woman and a her doctor, I may consider that murder.
If I power punched a pregger in the stomach and then bashed her in the head with a hammer how many murders do you think would the justice system charge?
It is a contentious issue. If you have a view I am not likely to change your mind; nor will you change mine.
My point is that the more local you can effectively make it, the better for everyone. Perhaps better is not the correct term but it is closer to reflecting the values of the populace of that region.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 7:29 am to Animal
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Again, somewhat agree but where does a society draw that line?
As close to the people and as far away from government as possible.
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