re: Should illegals have 2a and constitutional rights?

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Look. I know what I'm saying does not agree with the Constitution.
I've stated this before, our forefathers could not imagine today's context. Amendments have been made to the Constitution as times have changed. Ending slavery, women's Rights, civil rights, etc. This topic is another which needs to be discussed and considered. IMHO

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thank you for this candid response, and i agree with you. this is actually what i've been trying to say in this thread, but some posters are way to simple and rage-filled to understand nuance like this. i appreciate the fact that you are at least willing to acknowledge that what you are saying does not marry up with the constitution.

however, when you start going down the road of what our forefathers could and could not imagine in today's context, and saying things like "times have changed", etc, you are basically making the same exact argument that leftists have been making to support the stripping of first and second amendment rights. it's a dangerous precedent to set if suddenly we conservatives are suddenly ALSO starting to claim that times have changed and that new context matters when discussing the Constitution.

it's a tough topic, which is why i've said multiple times in this thread that i am having a hard time squaring it in my own head.

Only blue collar felons. White collar can still own and possess firearms.

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I was on this board when the Patriot Act was a hot discussion. I estimate 95% of the people who supported the Patriot Act now identify as MAGA.

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i will admit that as an early twenty-something, i supported the Patriot Act. i still believe that it was put in place with the right intentions, but i was too young and stupid to understand the implications and the potential for future abuse.

however, i'm not MAGA (although i am certainly voting for Trump over Biden)

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I understand completely.

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Then answer the questions

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What is "Communist" about desiring to limit government for more people?

You think Communism relies on a limited government?

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. Your words were clear. The founding fathers got it wrong and the constitution is old and out-of touch.

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Brother, this is your argument. James Madison believed in my argument.

Since you probably don't know who he is, he wrote the Constitution.

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Youve already discredited yourself and youre continuing to double down.

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Oh. Johnny, I apologize. I forgot you were there. You may go now.

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Show me in the constitution where visitors cant possess guns.

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This is really dumb, even for JJ

Nice. Has not one thing to do with the 2nd as the high courts have ruled over and over and over again.


There are reasons we have laws and sovereignty.

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Has not one thing to do with the 2nd as the high courts have ruled over and over and over again.

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No significant rulings since Bruen.

Again, times are a changing. The USSC has really made efforts to protect everyone's rights in the 2A sphere.

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There are reasons we have laws and sovereignty.

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And rights restrict these laws. Hence why Heller and Bruen declared certain laws illegal.

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Why are you ignoring the fact that higher courts have consistently ruled on the 2nd and the Scotus has yet, in all of these years, reversed those 8 cases?



Because you are .... wrong

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I was specifically responding to this post

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"Only American citizens have natural rights PROTECTED by the UNITED STATES Constitution."

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This argument is incorrect.

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Show me in the constitution where visitors cant possess guns.

This is really dumb, even for JJ

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Does he think "not explicitly protected" means "illegal?"