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Could Colonials still beat Cylons w/out sneak attack in BSG? Newer series.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 3/23/24 at 12:25 pm
It seems the Cylons outnumbered the Colonials in the new series. What would the outcome be of a straight up war?
Assuming the backdoor crap didn't work.
Assuming the backdoor crap didn't work.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 12:58 pm to prplhze2000
We see just how devastating the newer Battlestars are when Pegasus bails out Galactica. Assuming humans could keep the Cylons out of their networks I'd say they have a shot.
From what I remember in the show I never got the impression that the Cylons outnumbered humanity pre-strike.
From what I remember in the show I never got the impression that the Cylons outnumbered humanity pre-strike.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 1:29 pm to prplhze2000
Assuming the analyst back door didn’t work, I still see the attack succeeding simply because having the eight models embedded in Colonial society plus the ability to repeatedly nuke the planets until most Colonials died off is still a feasible strategy.
Compromising the Colonial defenses like they did raises the success level greatly but the actual colonies still would have been fricked. It would have been a matter of “how much larger would the convoy have been” and “how many Battlestars and Vipers still get wiped out?”
Compromising the Colonial defenses like they did raises the success level greatly but the actual colonies still would have been fricked. It would have been a matter of “how much larger would the convoy have been” and “how many Battlestars and Vipers still get wiped out?”
Posted on 3/23/24 at 1:52 pm to teke184
And the raiders and vipers were more evenly matched than in original series.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 1:52 pm to prplhze2000
after Colonials stopped the sneak attack from Cylons, the civil war now begins for survival
that would be a hell of a great new series they could do with todays CGI
i wouldnt trust them not to fill it full up with wokeness
that would be a hell of a great new series they could do with todays CGI
i wouldnt trust them not to fill it full up with wokeness
Posted on 3/23/24 at 2:00 pm to keakar
quote:You know they took a lot of heat for casting Katee Sackhoff as Starbuck and that was 20 years ago. And she was terrific in the show.
i wouldnt trust them not to fill it full up with wokeness
Posted on 3/23/24 at 2:30 pm to drizztiger
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You know they took a lot of heat for casting Katee Sackhoff as Starbuck and that was 20 years ago. And she was terrific in the show.
Adama, Starbuck, Boomer, Gaeta, and Dualla would all get called woke casting by the usual suspects if it was made now.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 2:51 pm to keakar
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todays CGI
While technology has gotten better, talent and time allotted to making great shots hasn't.
Jurassic Park (1993) still has many shots which surpass anything being made today. And this was a decade before HD made the scene.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 3:17 pm to Dr RC
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Adama, Starbuck, Boomer, Gaeta, and Dualla would all get called woke casting by the usual suspects if it was made now.
BSG '78 vs BSG '04
Swapped a white male Viper pilot for a white female Viper pilot. (Starbuck) Which worked out juuuust fine.
But also...
They swapped a black male for an *Asian female. (Boomer)
They swapped a black male for a white male (Col. Tigh)
They swapped a half Hawaiian actress who was a pilot/ communications specialist and Col. Adama's daughter for an *Asian female. (Athena) - who wasn't Adama's daughter.
They dropped a white female Medtech character outright. (Cassiopeia)
They dropped a white female Viper pilot. (Lt. Sheba)
But sure, OK. Buy into the idea that everything current day is soooo progressive and ground breaking!
See? No one cares! (Nedry meme)
* Boomer and Athena were both played by the same Asian female.
This post was edited on 3/23/24 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 3/23/24 at 3:29 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:For realz?
* Boomer and Athena were both played by the same Asian female.
You mean this lady?
Posted on 3/23/24 at 3:35 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
The Battlestars are way more resilient than the Cylon Base Ships. The Cylons would not have been able to withstand even a surprise attack at the Pikon shipyards. Several Battlestars would have survived. It would have been a more conventional war similar to the first one.
There’s a reason the Cylons’ plan involved getting the security codes. It was the only way they could win. A prolonged war was not in their favor. Remember, they’re machines. They calculated multiple scenarios and determined wiping humanity out in one swift blow was the only way to win. Unfortunately for them, they underestimated the surviving humans and ended up ruining their own society.
There’s a reason the Cylons’ plan involved getting the security codes. It was the only way they could win. A prolonged war was not in their favor. Remember, they’re machines. They calculated multiple scenarios and determined wiping humanity out in one swift blow was the only way to win. Unfortunately for them, they underestimated the surviving humans and ended up ruining their own society.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 3:38 pm to drizztiger
Hey, good on ya for finding any reason to post that pic.
Point I was making is that Athena and Boomer were 2 entirely different characters in the '78 BSG series.
In the '04 series, #8 was both Boomer & Athena.
Point I was making is that Athena and Boomer were 2 entirely different characters in the '78 BSG series.
In the '04 series, #8 was both Boomer & Athena.
This post was edited on 3/23/24 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 3/23/24 at 6:00 pm to prplhze2000
The biggest casting mistake change was leaving this guy out!
Posted on 3/23/24 at 8:43 pm to RougeDawg
I dunno. The Colonials were almost begging for a truce in the first war.
Posted on 3/23/24 at 9:19 pm to prplhze2000
The 2004 version of the cylon Infantry definitely has the advantage in the ground game
Posted on 3/23/24 at 10:02 pm to prplhze2000
Without a doubt. The Cylons did not have that many basestars to begin with. what they had was infinite respawn thanks to their resurrections hub.
Had Baltar not let them in the back door to the Colonial defense, someone would have put 2+2 together with facial recognition matches for all the human models.
In the show, the 50 year old Battlestar Galatica in the intro movie held off 3 base star long enough for their fleet to escape. The Pegasus with a skeleton crew destroyed two base star before it died.
The Colonial ships were made to take everything a Cyclon could throw at it and counter attack. The Basestars is made to be a carrier and overwhelmed with superior numbers.
While I don't doubt they would get nuked or be able to nuke some target, it would not be on the scale as the initial attack have been. The vipers could and would intercept since they had closing speed.
TLDR: The second cylon war, had they been fought straight up, without the internet crippling, would have ended in a bloody Colonial Victory.
Also here is a montage of the Battlestar series of Colonials vs Cyclons. Cylons constantly got their ship pushed in in one v one situation.
LINK
Had Baltar not let them in the back door to the Colonial defense, someone would have put 2+2 together with facial recognition matches for all the human models.
In the show, the 50 year old Battlestar Galatica in the intro movie held off 3 base star long enough for their fleet to escape. The Pegasus with a skeleton crew destroyed two base star before it died.
The Colonial ships were made to take everything a Cyclon could throw at it and counter attack. The Basestars is made to be a carrier and overwhelmed with superior numbers.
While I don't doubt they would get nuked or be able to nuke some target, it would not be on the scale as the initial attack have been. The vipers could and would intercept since they had closing speed.
TLDR: The second cylon war, had they been fought straight up, without the internet crippling, would have ended in a bloody Colonial Victory.
Also here is a montage of the Battlestar series of Colonials vs Cyclons. Cylons constantly got their ship pushed in in one v one situation.
LINK
This post was edited on 3/23/24 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 3/23/24 at 11:14 pm to prplhze2000
I never finished the new series, but from the opening, I got the impression that the Colonials would win a fair, "both sides ready" war.
There would be heavy attrition from the Cylons nuking planets, but I think the Colonial fleet wins head-to-head, especially if they go on the offensive.
And honestly, that's why the premise of a truce was a bit stupid. The Cylons are machines with one objective- to wipe out humanity if they get the upper hand. As such, you need to eliminate them before they get that advantage. It's not an issue of morality (except in extreme philosophical circles), you are dealing with AI. If your Macs and IPhones try to kill your family, you destroy those devices and try to erase the programs. You don't wait until one can figure out how to shut off your pilot lights and flood the house with gas, etc.
There would be heavy attrition from the Cylons nuking planets, but I think the Colonial fleet wins head-to-head, especially if they go on the offensive.
And honestly, that's why the premise of a truce was a bit stupid. The Cylons are machines with one objective- to wipe out humanity if they get the upper hand. As such, you need to eliminate them before they get that advantage. It's not an issue of morality (except in extreme philosophical circles), you are dealing with AI. If your Macs and IPhones try to kill your family, you destroy those devices and try to erase the programs. You don't wait until one can figure out how to shut off your pilot lights and flood the house with gas, etc.
Posted on 3/24/24 at 1:09 pm to bluestem75
They didn't think it would work as well as it did . They didn't expect to take out the entire fleet within one day or a few hours.
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